Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

You have no idea what I believe. Stop trying to pretend you do.

Try to get past the paranoia, that would be a start.

To think I said otherwise is just that paranoia showing again
I don’t think it is appropriate for anybody to be making (hysterical) accusations about paranoia.

We will never be able to get this fixed while people cry "it wasn't me and you're trying to make out its all my fault."

Keep recycling your yogurt pots folks, but alongside that accept what Greta Thunberg says might just be the right thing and that vicars sitting in the middle to the road aren't trying to ruin your life.

I'm so angry.

volver3

You have no idea what I believe. Stop trying to pretend you do.

Try to get past the paranoia, that would be a start.

You make grand assumptions about others.🤣🤣🤣
What are you doing to save the planet?

What are you doing to save the planet?

Vegetarian for 30 years.
All the usual recycle/reuse stuff.
Inventing a new solar panel material.
Marrying someone who created a new system for measuring tree cover.

What are you doing?

Action and legislation by governments is essential. Their decisions are made in parliament by our elected representatives. We put our cross opposite the candidate we believe will vote for what we think is the right thing to do, and who seems to be capable of sticking to his campaigning promises. After that, if we wish to and are capable of it, we can demonstrate, write to MPs or to the media and do whatever else seems likely to influence our beloved leaders to act for the benefit of the whole globe instead of the bank balances of themselves and their party donors.

However, not everyone is capable of going on demonstrations, nor of being a keyboard warrior, or of growing their own vegetables. Recycling yoghurt pots is is easy to deride, but it is only shorthand for the things that those other people could be doing. What they don't do can also contribute. If no-one flew halfway round the world to holiday in an exotic destination several times a year, it would be a great help to reducing the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Not buying replacements for stuff that is almost new would cut down the amount produced by manufacturing. Using public transport instead of a car with one person in it would use less fuel and produce fewer emissions. And so on and so forth.

I expect he would have created his new system whether you had married him or not so that claim fails.

volver3

^What are you doing to save the planet?^

Vegetarian for 30 years.
All the usual recycle/reuse stuff.
Inventing a new solar panel material.
Marrying someone who created a new system for measuring tree cover.

What are you doing?

🤣🤣🤣

And has anyone, in this thread about conversations between generations, posted that what Greta Thunberg (and David Attenburgh and others) have said is NOT the right thing? I may have missed something while I was away from the screen?

Germanshepherdsmum

I expect he would have created his new system whether you had married him or not so that claim fails.

Well you might think so but I couldn't possibly comment.

Mollygo

volver3

What are you doing to save the planet?

Vegetarian for 30 years.
All the usual recycle/reuse stuff.
Inventing a new solar panel material.
Marrying someone who created a new system for measuring tree cover.

What are you doing?

🤣🤣🤣

What are you doing?

Laughing.

Yes, why am I not surprised.

I’m laughing at you V3. You shouldn’t be surprised. You are so funny.

For everybody except Mollygo.:

I generally try to ignore her.

It's my failing that sometimes I don't

Must try harder.

How much CO2 does the internet produce per year?

According to a study by the Boston Consulting Group, the internet is responsible for roughly one billion tonnes of greenhouse gases a year, or around two per cent of world emissions.

volver3

^What are you doing to save the planet?^

Vegetarian for 30 years.
All the usual recycle/reuse stuff.
Inventing a new solar panel material.
Marrying someone who created a new system for measuring tree cover.

What are you doing?

It is rather short notice to retrain for a useful new career like yours or your husband's, Volver. I am not sure we would achieve very much from a standing start. Sorry, but I think most of us will have to confine our contributions to yoghurt cartons and trying to find a politician brave enough and trustworthy enough to get voted in on a platform of global warming and then stick to his guns to get it through.

Governments could help by banning the use of private jets. If people fly, they should at least fly on a full carrier, not take a huge jet just for themselves.

This is quite old but it’s the most up to date I could find.

There’s been quite a bit of discussion on this thread about how people do their bit by recycling their waste and how governments need to ban private planes.

I’ve said a few times, that’s all well and good, but it’s a drop in the ocean. Blaming other people for being profligate, while saying that we already know what we have to do, is burying our heads in the sand.

Half of our emissions come from electricity and heat generation and from agriculture, forestry or land use. Only 14% is from transportation, and private jets will be a small fraction of that. So banning private jets is just another drop in the ocean. All the yogurt pots and t-shirts that we are cutting down on are part of the 21% included in Industry, so even if we were to do away with that sector all together, it leaves 80% of emissions to deal with. And we will never do that by recycling our yogurt pots and making our clothes last longer.

If we really want to make a difference, it’s the electricity and heat generation we have to deal with, plus land use. And the only people who can make a big enough difference in those areas are the governments. Everything else is very good and worthwhile, but its tinkering.

Renewable energy and sustainable land use is what we need.
I realise that the figures will have changed in the last decade but it’s the relevant size of the slices which is important.

volver you ability to twist people's words to mean what you want them to mean is world class.

I try assiduously to avoid personal point scoring and the sort of tit for tats between two people which are currently plaguing GN.

I started this thread but I will not be taking any further part in it in order to avoid just such an event.

I fear the hot air this thread has generated must have made its own contribution to global warming . 🎈

Why does the BBC think that older people are all global warming unaware and do not know or understand that we how to change our lives to meet future challenges?

I don't think the point of the article is "old people are global warming unaware..." I find it fascinating to talk with any and all of our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. If they learn and tell me true facts - who am I to object, regardless the truth tellers age? So, what is the real issue?

Perhaps not believing oneself the smartest in the room on all topics? Obviously nothing to do with ages of posters, their children, grandchildren impacts ability to be good listeners who want the best.

I personally don't need anyone, young or old, to explain climate change and the damage we are doing to the environment.

However, I know many people of all ages who simply cannot be bothered reading or hearing anything about it, and who have plenty of good excuses for not doing what they could to change things.

So, yes, we do need people who are willing and able to fight that particular fight, and I am very thankful to Greta Thunberg for taking the stand she did, and influencing as many people as she did.

Had I been her age, I would have been out there beside her, even although I in my youth chose other fights than the environmental one - equality between men and women and between different ethnic groups has always been my thing.

My concern for the planet consists mainly of not using things that cause the greatest polution, saving on electricity and water etc.

Elegran

Only if the explanation is combined with an intensive course in sucking eggs.

It should also include the old person explaining to the explainer all about -
-1) - how to avoid waste by not throwing out foods which don't actually go "off" because they are preserves, pickles, fresh vegetables or fruit which look, smell and taste absolutely perfect, or leftovers due to over-estimating quantities for the meal.
-2) - the benefits of wearing old clothes for messy occupations instead of new ones.
-3) - why they don't need to throw every single item worn today into the washing machine and wear a completely new set tomorrow.
-4) - how to clean a home without pouring bleach and other strong chemicals over everything.
-5) - how interesting it can be to take holidays/vacations nearer to home, somewhere that doesn't involve a long-haul flight.

You forgot the how to go shopping without using umpteen single use carrier bags and/or carrying a plastic cup of coffee/bottle of water with you constantly.

I need to dig out the headbanging emoji again.

So little tolerance on this site today, it's getting worse. Why can't people express their views, controversial or otherwise, in a calm and polite manner? No need for sniping at all.

At work, I'm the one who recycles & reuses - despite the company's initiative on zero waste.
The younger ones here just don't seem bothered!