Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

How do you suggest that people improve their transport and food without the kind of practical help that environmentalists are asking for? I am a 73 year old active member of XR. Over the recent 4 day action there were plenty of oldies but it was overwhelmingly younger folk giving up their time and energy and money to highlight the issue. I have been vegetarian for about 44 years and vegan in the last 2 of those. I have always bought in charity shops, recycled etc. and I have a diesel van because we were once told by the government and motor industry that this was the greenest option at the time. I would change to an electric vehicle in a heartbeat if there was a suitable one available that I could afford! In the meantime I use it sparingly and willingly pay the ULEZ charge. Please don't let the Daily Mail influence you.

Lol, I have been a member of green peace, since I was very young in the 70s since it started I am a member Earth Justice and other environmental groups too. I live a very sustainable life. I shop only on vinted, eBay, car boots sales, charity shops or clothes swaps. if I do buy new it’s always ethical and sustainable. I have never put anything into a dump, I have been upcycling since I was about 8 even though I didn’t know it was called that. I do not take long fights, I gave up driving for environmental reasons , walk or cycle I upcycle - recyle mend and reuse. I eat fresh, local and clean I don’t food waste and I use sites like too good to go. I belong to crafting and sustainability workshops. I save water and energy wherever I can.
So, the answer to that is no and I for one I find that very patronising.

We are but a tiny country in physical size. How much different to the large ones - China, Russia, south America etc. Can someone point me in the direction of what these countries are doing to alleviate the challenge?
Anyway Nature will always do its own thing no matter what man might choose to alter it.

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We are but a tiny country in physical size. How much different to the large ones - China, Russia, south America etc. Can someone point me in the direction of what these countries are doing to alleviate the challenge?
Anyway Nature will always do its own thing no matter what man might choose to alter it.

China?

Here's your starter for 10.

reasonstobecheerful.world/china-solar-power-green-transition/

How about the young parents who buy their kids ( 8 years up) electric scooters to use illegally on roads and footpaths. No resources used on the batteries and plastics! Yes, us oldies need education on global warming

You Go, Girls!
Let’s agree to disagree. This post won’t die anytime soon. Everyone dug in.

Glad we don’t have these kinds of discussions in the US.
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You Go, Girls!
Let’s agree to disagree. This post won’t die anytime soon. Everyone dug in.

Glad we don’t have these kinds of discussions in the US.
Much…
😉🥺

Oh look. The man has spoken. That's us told.

Well I don't agree to disagree.

Elegran You could be right, GSM We could only get a mortgage for two and a half times one salary (and paying up that mortgage when we soon were indeed living on only one salary as our children arrived proved that the lenders were quite right in not countenancing lending any more than they did

Indeed.

People were pleased with little. We were and still are.

It seems to me, sometime after we bought/quickly paid for our home - move house waste began, many times apart from necessary or work moves. Beginning of the 'get new and not reuse' mentality?

I think so, Norah. I’m amazed at the frequency with which change their furniture, buy and dispose of clothes and what they spend on holidays. It’s completely alien to me. Much of it, I suspect, involves credit. We live well, but quite simply. We’re neither wasteful nor extravagant.

I don't because I remember Thor Heyerdahl on his raft encountering mountains of plastic in the oceans years and years ago. Why didn't we listen then ?

Discussion between the generations is a good thing. Yes? Okay so we have lived long enough to 'know it all', but if our Grandchildren take time to try to 'convert' us to green ways, then let them. That's how they learn things, isn't it, Teachers on this post? You listen, you memorise, and then you pass on what you have learned. You are helping their understanding by letting them explain to you how they see issues, and hey, you might actually get to hear something new to you and valuable to our survival as a species.

That's a very encouraging article about China. I thought they were still focussed only on fossil fuels, volver.
Yes, we could have learned back then, albertina. Hope enough of us can start to learn now.

I believe Maremia that emissions are forecast to drop for the first time ever this year, because of the change in approach from China.

That would be good news.

Maremia

That's a very encouraging article about China. I thought they were still focussed only on fossil fuels, volver.
Yes, we could have learned back then, albertina. Hope enough of us can start to learn now.

It's not all good news: ☹

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up-coal-power-despite-carbon-neutral-pledges#:~:text=Local%20governments%20in%20China%20approved,2021%2C%20according%20to%20official%20documents

Ah, if only people were better at maths...

Last year, 91 GW of power capacity was approved.

This year, in one quarter, 20 GW were approved. Pro rata, that means that less will be approved this year than last year.

It never is Callistemon, we just have to keep trying.
Meanwhile, it has just been announced that the wee island of Cumbrae is 'discussing' a solar energy installation. For anyone who has ever visited the lovely Millport, possibly a wind farm would work better?

There would be no climate problem if we could halve the population, but that can't happen so lets blame old people, meat eaters and cows

Janetashbolt, not if every remaining person, in your scenario, kept increasing their fuel consumption.

I do think its a shame that any one thinks they are being "blamed". This thread has reinforced the idea that they young are "blaming" the old when that's not what is going on. Any person who blames the "old" is just as bad as a person who blames the "young" for being careless, and there is a lot of that on here.

The cows fart methane into the atmosphere and that causes CO2 build up. Although apparently the farting isn't as bad as as originally thought. 🫢 Nobody's blaming them, just saying that "this is what happens", isn't blaming anyone or anything . The only things I blame are the governments and vested interests that are avoiding their responsibilities and who won't admit that something needs to be done pdq.

Knowing something is unacceptable, and acting appropriately isn’t always what happens. Schoolchildren are reminded about not dropping litter on a very regular basis, but it doesn’t stop them doing it. Only today, as I passed the local secondary school, I noticed four pupils litter picking after lunchtime. This really shouldn’t be required. It’s sad that for some, using the litter bin is too much to ask. Some adults are no better, of course.

V3
The cows fart methane into the atmosphere and that causes CO2 build up.
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Yes, you’re right. I’ve noticed that all animals that only eat plants tend to pass more methane into the atmosphere.

Including vegetarians in my experience. I like cabbage but not when it has been through someone’s digestive system.

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For the record - I’m not a man.
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Apologies.

* we drive 4x4s, we need space and frankly like the height/ safety aspect.*
This is why we’re all doomed. This and flying. And tidy gardens. And thinking taking your own shopping bag to a SUPERMARKET is going to make a difference. Or picking up litter.. You’re not getting it people. This is an emergency. We’ve reached tipping point. When the climate goes, which is imminent, you’ll be struggling to survive. We all will. A few thousand poor souls coming here in small boats seeking safety will be nothing compared to the waves of refugees from waterlogged poor countries reaping the rewards of OUR love of foreign holidays and gas-guzzling vehicles. They’ll be angry and desperate and aggressive. And quite rightly so.
But it’s okay. I’m sure you’ll offer them some of your jumble in a reusable bag.