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feeling lonely and isolated as paternal grandmother

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May1 Sun 07-May-17 00:42:27

My lovely grandson has his first communion . I celebrate all his events altho I am not Catholic but today especially I felt like an outsider. I arrived to the church alone and drove alone to the lunch after; then they all left together to go to the maternal grandparents home. They shared stories and religious knowledge. The kids barely looked at me. They do not like non religion public schools and the only time to ever hear about another religion in a favorable light might be from me but it isn't something welcomed. it is understood my religion is not theirs. the sermon made it clear who was going to hell. I went home and cried and cried. I know religion can be cruel and as the fathers mother am the less significant grandparent, but I am so hurt I cant stop crying. I know it will pass but I think I need someone to say "there, there, it will be ok." My heart is broken when those children don't even look in my direction. I'm sorry to make this post.

Lewlew Mon 08-May-17 18:37:08

Their treatment of May1 may also be part of how their parish/priests view the Jewish religion. In my catholic upbringing days we were totally discouraged from having Jewish or Protestant friends. Going into a Jewish home was actually a no-go area in the late 1950s early 1960s. Remembering that makes me cringe. sad

Lewlew Mon 08-May-17 18:39:11

TerriBull Mon 08-May-17 17:55:33
Oh I am glad not to have been the only one brought up like this. You created your own 'sins' by lying that you had sins. Job done!! grin

May1 Mon 08-May-17 19:19:35

Thank you star lady, Anya. Lewlew I know there may be an undercurrent but in today's world, we need to stand for each other. I remember those days but today's Pope is an inclusive one. All of you who have taken time to assure me or share your beliefs are such good people. You have no idea what this has meant for someone like me.

NannyC1 Mon 08-May-17 19:51:11

I raised my child Catholic as it was her fathers religion. I'm Protestant and I stood next to my daughter when she made her 1st Communion. No problem at all. I recently attended her father in laws Muslim funeral again no problem at all. I feel sorry that the church you attended made you feel as you did. As far as you GS is concerned he is only a child and you can influence him with love.

paddyann Mon 08-May-17 20:31:41

Lewlew the catholic church and the world is a very different place than it was in the 50's and 60's and thank heavens for that.However although I was raised catholic I nor any of my family was ever discouraged from having friends of different faiths and I was born mid fifties .

Diddy1 Mon 08-May-17 20:43:52

Dont be upset, you have your faith and they have theirs, why cant they accept that. Enjoy your Grandchildren, and do not be ignored in the future, you are a very important Grandmother, being the paternal Grandmother.
Sending you hugs and a bouquet of flowers xx

May1 Tue 09-May-17 01:22:54

Thank you NannyC1, paddyann, and diddy1, you are all nice people. I appreciate you.

WendyBT Tue 09-May-17 09:51:21

This made me sad and also very cross. I am Catholic, the only one in my family and I don't recognise the church you describe. How can they call themselves Christian and be so unwelcoming.

May1 Tue 09-May-17 15:37:36

WendyBT , I know. That's why I posted. It wasn't typical and I was hurt. It may just be this order (if that is correct term)? Or my sons family. Sometimes it takes years to accept others or understand or even be aware of how someone different might feel. My next door neighbors growing up were Catholic and I spent many lovely holidays with them and went with them to church at times- I am not making any judgement on anyone. I am coming out of my sadness with this support. Thank you for posting.

Direne3 Tue 09-May-17 16:16:42

As an atheist (originally C.ofE.) married to a practicing Catholic and I have (with one exception)always been treated with friendly respect by the Catholic priest/nuns in the many areas of the UK in which we have lived. Even my husband would agree that my knowledge of the Bible exceeds his, and although he can reel off Latin he has little knowledge of it's translation. What we both agree on and follow are the Christian values of kindness, honesty and respect for others and surely this is what Judaism, and for that matter, many other beliefs value too. I feel so sad for your situation MAY1 and hope the previous posts will help you.

Norah Tue 09-May-17 16:39:08

I am past myself with upset to the Priest and attitude to that one Church. Blame to the other family seems the wrong approach to me. Nobody should have talked about their after gathering in front of you, but I see no other fault to lay at them. Do start going to GSs games, to support him.

Direne3 Tue 09-May-17 16:49:37

I should have added that my Husband's young life involving his care by the Catholic church was a bit of a 'curate's egg' which makes me very bitter indeed. But there were many good people too, so I have very mixed feelings.

TriciaF Tue 09-May-17 17:08:32

I'm wondering if the situation arose because it was "first communion". Which involves a Catholic belief which is anathema to Jews.

TerriBull Tue 09-May-17 17:23:35

Growing up I didn't really have any contact with Jewish people, till I went to work, although I have to say my ulta Catholic parents only imparted positive things about them and their faith. I also don't remember any negative attitude towards the Jewish faith at school, they saved all their hostility for Protestants. The nuns actually told us never go in a Protestant church it was a mortal sin, they then downgraded that a few years later, to "you can go into a C and E Church if you have to, for say a wedding, but do remember God won't be there, he's only in Catholic churches, the one true faith". The older C of E Churches (pre reformation) they deemed were stolen from Catholics for which transgression, they, Protestants, will be consigned to hell and damnation. This was in the sixties, Love and Peace had yet to reach them. I think Catholic schools have lightened up a bit now, and when I've been to church they are positively welcoming of "the others". Sadly not May1's experience.

TerriBull Tue 09-May-17 17:24:19

ultra

Faye Tue 09-May-17 20:42:55

I think the children not looking at you May, was more likely because they were horrified to hear their grandmother was going to hell.

Starlady Sat 13-May-17 02:18:32

Idk, York, I don't remember any of my Jewish friends ever calling themselves the "chosen people" or saying non-Jews will "go to hell." That's kind of outdated, I think.

Then again, I never hear any Catholics say it either these days. That priest was wholly out-of-line, imo.

I wouldn't complain to him or to the church about him though. I doubt it will get you anywhere, and it might just make trouble with dil if she gets wind of it. The less focus on religion in this scenario the better.

Norah Sat 13-May-17 22:48:51

I wouldn't talk to the Church body about this issue. Enjoy weekly GC visits and your son.

May1 Thu 18-May-17 15:25:37

HI Everyone and thank you again. I spoke to almost no one about this except for you all. I am much better now and will move on from this. This has only confirmed my belief we are all one people who can only survive by supporting and honoring each other.
I love my family very much and we can only enrich each other by our differences, is my belief.