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Need Wisdom Regarding Time with Grandbaby

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LovingGiGi Fri 03-Nov-23 21:00:46

I am so incredibly hurt. For years my son lovingly teased me about becoming a grandparent and indicated he was eager to see me in that role. Then his wife became pregnant. We live 20 minutes away from one another, A week before baby's birth my husband and I were given the rules:

1.) We could not even see the baby for the first week as my son and his wife needed "time to bond" with the baby. My son used my husband and me as an example: no family saw him the first week after his birth. I pointed out that my family lived in another state and would be coming for his baptism 10 days later. It was too hard for them to come twice in less than two weeks. If they had lived in town, they would have seen him multiple times in the first week.

2.) No kissing baby - not even on the top of the head or on her toes. Hmm... If they wanted to use my experience as an excuse for their rules, as in rule number one, kissing by family members would not be denied. But my son chose to pick and choose my experiences with him as an excuse for their rules.

3.) No overnights. What the heck?? I never asked for overnights. I did mention I could get a free pack-n-play for baby to sleep in when they visit, but I was referring to napping or sleeping in if parents went out for a date and came home late to pick her up and she needed a spot to snooze.

After baby was born, my son and his wife, who had an emergency c-section, had two weeks of food delivery lined up from various people. The people were only allowed to drop off food to my son in the parking lot of their apartment building. I had no problem with people dropping off food, BUT if my son wanted to use my experience of first-time parenthood as justification for his rules, then no one would bring him food because no one brought us food after he was born. I also had an emergency c-section.

I brought my son and his wife a meal when my grandbaby was six days old. Because she was not yet a week old, I could not come up to the apartment. I was, though, "allowed" to "see" my first grandbaby from the balcony of the apartment building they live in and "wave" at her. I felt like I was going to a nursing care facility to wave to an ill super elderly person from a window outside during the pandemic. I hated it. It felt like waving a chocolate candy bar in front of a starving child and saying, "Look, but don't touch. Now, isn't that amazing?" I could not even see the baby. I didn't want to wave at the crown of an infant head. I wanted to "taste" my grandbaby's goodness by holding her and touching her. It was like salt in an open wound.

Finally, the day arrived when my husband and I could actually visit. When we arrived, baby was in the living room in her bassinet. We were not allowed to pick her up out of it. We had to sit on the couch and have her handed to us. She was bundled in a swaddle, and we could not see anything but her face. We were not allowed to touch her skin at all. When I went to pass baby to her Papa (my husband) sitting next to me, my son insisted that he be the one to pass the baby. I felt like I was being treated like a young child and not a grandmother who raised her own children.

When I later expressed how hurtful all this was, my son got upset with me saying that she is his and his wife's child and not mine and I do not get to make the rules. But that is all I was given: rule after rule after rule, and not anything I CAN do as a grandmother.

My grandbaby is now 4 months old, and I have held her an average of 10 minutes a month. I have never babysat her, played with her, read a book to her, sang a lullaby to her, given her a bottle, changed her diapers, pushed her in her stroller, or done anything grandmas do with grandbabies, especially kissed her.

What I have done is cried and cried and cried. I cannot understand why my son who was super affectionate towards me, even when he was in college, is now distancing himself from me and, more hurtful, keeping my grandbaby at an arms-length, saying this is how his generation operates. I am scared. Will it always be this way with her? Will I never have a true relationship with her? I literally feel like there is a knife piercing my heart.

In addition to keeping the baby at arms-length, it seems that rather than listening and learning from one another and across generations, my son and his wife are rejecting everything my generation believes about family, and acting as if my generation has nothing of value to offer the generations behind us because we are not as smart as they are: they can just go online and read stuff from people who are smarter than we are. Their baby must at all costs be protected from us. That is very hurtful. I don't understand it.

Please, I would love any insight and wisdom others can give me on this issue. I need to get my head on straight about this as the hurt is so deep. I just want to love on my grandbaby in real life - not by seeing pictures of her posted online.

GrammaTaylor Tue 07-Nov-23 02:28:47

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

Grams2five Tue 07-Nov-23 04:56:38

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

How shameful. To blatantly disrespect your son and his wife and be so proud of it.

Cambsnan Tue 07-Nov-23 08:17:53

Give it time. We all remember those first days. The mum has no doubt read all the horror stories on mumsnet of babies getting infections from relative kisses. Offer your love and support at their pace. They will relax. Try not to be hurt and keep that door open. When you visit do the washing up or the ironing rather than expect to nurse the baby!

pregpaws3 Tue 07-Nov-23 08:51:17

I’m not a grandmother but from day one I helped my young neighbour, visiting, giving the anti clotting injections she needed and nursing the crying babe whilst mum went to have a bath as the partner was at work as neither had close Family. Both bonded with the babe but were very grateful for help and support, Meals provided and company.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Nov-23 08:58:21

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

That’s a shocking way to behave when someone has entrusted their child to your care. Lying and deceiving. And a grandchild is not a grandparent’s ‘prize’.

eazybee Tue 07-Nov-23 09:19:58

Well, I don't suppose these wicked grandparents did evil things the moment the parents were out of the door, like feeding the child endless sweets, letting him watch horror movies whilst playing with matches and kissing the cat. No doubt they gave him a few extra cuddles, read him several bedtime stories and probably kissed the top of his head, and surprisingly, in the care of two experienced grandparents, he survived.

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Nov-23 09:27:36

eazybee
The point is, it wasn't what was asked of them.
Disregarding others requests for one's own satisfaction is rude and lacking respect.

No wonder grandparents are sometimes not trusted!

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 10:42:20

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

Lying to your children - appalling advice! I would rather be trustworthy, thanks. I’d have agreed to the rules and then kept them. What does it matter compared to treating your children right?

Younger people hearing of this sort of thing are less likely to trust grandparents.

annodomini Tue 07-Nov-23 10:53:31

One DDiL had an emergency c-section and I have never been kept away from her first DS, now 18, who has a great
relationship with me and will confide almost anything to me. In fact, if he was having a melt-down, (as teenagers sometimes do) my DS, his dad, often asked me to speak to him! I have never been held back from bonding with any of my GC and now I am proud to say that they are responsible, sociable and still affectionate young adults. Luckily their parents either hadn't read the latest child-rearing manuals and the same can be said of my DGD1 who now has my beautiful toddler DGGD who has been sociable from the day she was born - and still is.

Harris27 Tue 07-Nov-23 10:58:20

Back off even if it kills you let them come to you and abide by their rules. Best advice I can give as long term grandparent.

Theexwife Tue 07-Nov-23 11:09:52

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

Appalling behaviour, the arrogance of thinking that you know better.

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 11:13:05

^ It’s really very arrogant.

Margiknot Tue 07-Nov-23 11:29:49

It must be hard for you both. The parents seem to be following very strict advice from some modern parenting philosophy- building primary parental attachments first or something. It does seem to be common now for new parents to have lots of rules for family! No doubt as new parents they are doing what they think is best for their new baby and following expert advice ( as presumably they are) leads to more confident parenting which is good for the child. The rules given to my parents sometimes went against their instincts but first born children seem to do as well as those born to more experienced parents.

Smileless2012 Tue 07-Nov-23 11:46:53

When DS (our first) was 2 months old, Mr. S. took me out for a meal for my birthday. My m.i.l. baby sat. She gave him a bottle, changed him and settled him down when he was ready.

It never entered my head to provide a list of rules, why would I? She raised her own 5 children.

eazybee Tue 07-Nov-23 12:38:43

The point is, NotSpaghetti, is that the grandparents are babysitting for free to allow their adult children time to themselves, plus the fact that they have raised children successfully and it is therefore disrespectful of their children to assume they do not know what they are doing and need instruction before they can be left.

welbeck Tue 07-Nov-23 13:28:55

the arrogant attitudes of some on here fully justifies any parents' wariness IMO.
no wonder this is the number one complaint on MN.
i used to think some on MN were being a bit harsh, until i starting reading GN.
then i realised what they were up against.

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Nov-23 14:14:44

The point is not, easybee that the grandparents are babysitting for free OR that they have raised children successfully. It is disrespectful of them to assume they can do as they please with someone else's baby.

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 14:22:51

eazybee

The point is, NotSpaghetti, is that the grandparents are babysitting for free to allow their adult children time to themselves, plus the fact that they have raised children successfully and it is therefore disrespectful of their children to assume they do not know what they are doing and need instruction before they can be left.

But probably the AC would rather have babysitters who would do what they wanted than babysitters who would pretend they were going to and then not do, even if they had to pay. It’s dishonest.

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to want things done differently from the way your parents did them. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you think your parents don’t know what they’re doing. It just means that views have changed, sometimes as a result of research, and you think the new ways are better.

Luckygirl3 Tue 07-Nov-23 15:11:20

Germanshepherdsmum

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

That’s a shocking way to behave when someone has entrusted their child to your care. Lying and deceiving. And a grandchild is not a grandparent’s ‘prize’.

Absolutely agree. How very patronising and dishonest.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Nov-23 15:13:43

And stopping before the child is able to speak and tell! How calculated is that?

eazybee Tue 07-Nov-23 15:21:04

The point is that these people are parents, children and grandchildren, just about the closest relationship you can get, not teenagers employed for a few hours child-minding,
If you feel your parents can't cope without a lengthy list of instructions and a training session then you really should not be leaving your offspring with them. If you are leaving children in their care then you have to trust their judgement and accept their decisions.
It is the adult children who are patronising and disrespectful.

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 15:47:43

eazybee

The point is that these people are parents, children and grandchildren, just about the closest relationship you can get, not teenagers employed for a few hours child-minding,
If you feel your parents can't cope without a lengthy list of instructions and a training session then you really should not be leaving your offspring with them. If you are leaving children in their care then you have to trust their judgement and accept their decisions.
It is the adult children who are patronising and disrespectful.

It might not be a close relationship for long if someone is caught out lying and deceiving in this way.

If a grandparent gave their adult child a straight choice: either let me do it my way or I don’t babysit, that would be one thing. But to pretend you will do it the parents’ way and then suit yourself is quite another thing.

That is dishonest and disrespectful, whereas asking your parents to do things differently is not. Sometimes there is a good reason things have changed. It’s not patronising to anyone to follow new research evidence, for example.

Luckygirl3 Tue 07-Nov-23 16:22:52

You do not have to agree with the rules to respect them.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Nov-23 16:29:34

👏👏👏

campbellwise Tue 07-Nov-23 16:50:37

Their baby, their rules. Just stay supportive and calm about what they have decided and wait for them to relax into their new lives as parents. Tough call, I know but adding pressure on them could backfire. 🌈