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Husband too soft with GCs

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KatyaStrings Tue 26-Aug-25 02:33:52

Whenever we look after our Grandkids (boys aged 5 and 6) my husband lets them run riot. He encourages them to make a constant din (he joins in!), lets them jump all over him, and makes no bones about them deliberately standing in his way shouting Grandad Grandad if he's watching TV or talking to somebody. The oldest one has a habit of getting overexcited and trying to punch him in the goolies and tread on his toes. If I try to quell the chaos my husband accuses me of being too snappy with them and not letting them be free to be kids.

For instance, last week we took the 5 year old out for the day and had lunch in a restaurant. The little boy got squirmy waiting for the food so I played games with him, but at one point he stood up in his chair, so I told him in a no-nonsense way to sit properly. My husband gave me a roasting - in front of the child - for being bad tempered and controlling.

Of course the children love all his attention, and if we go out always want to sit next to him, hold his hand, snuggle up to him. I feel a bit left out occasionally.

It's got to the stage where I don't look forward to our times with the boys, because the chaos and the arguments get me down and exhaust me (I have an autoimmune illness so tire more easily than most). But I do love them and on the occasions I'm alone with them, they behave perfectly - we chat and play and garden and draw and cook and paint and have a lovely time.

I feel I need to add that the children are my stepdaughters' so I'm not their actual grandmother. It doesn't matter a jot to me - I love my stepchildren and I get all the grandmotherly feelings. But there is a subtle undercurrent of me not wanting to interfere too much in the way he chooses to grandparent his own.

Esmay Tue 26-Aug-25 18:12:05

You can't win with Grandpas .
A few days ago a gransnetter complained of her husband being grumpy with the grandkids now it an over indulgent Grandpa !
But this little boy needs to understand that standing on people's feet isn't advisable .
If someone were diabetic this would not be a good idea .
And neither punching someone in the genitals .
Actually it's dangerous . A guy in my family ended up in hospital after a blow to his testes .
My grandson got into trouble at nursery school for his aggressive behaviour .
No one was allowed to reprimand him when he misbehaved .
As for Grandpa putting you down when you try to get the kids to calm down - it's totally unacceptable.
It makes me wonder if your husband disrespect you in other ways as well .

Witzend Tue 26-Aug-25 18:25:27

I’d let him take the boys out on his own, and enjoy some P&Q by myself.

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 08:24:03

Jaxjacky

I think the focus on genital bashing and any connotation is over the top and I’d be most offended if someone made those comments about my husband. Common behave amongst young/teenage boys, your husband needs to grow up.
I agree with BlueBelle take them out separately if your comments aren’t listened to, let your husband deal with any scrapes, bumps and bruises.

Thanks Jaxjacky - it is quite upsetting and hard not to feel offended. But other people don't know my husband like I do, so I can understand their concern. I just wish I'd never mentioned it, it has taken the discussion into a different area. Though it has made me realise I will have to take the child to task and tell his mum if I see it happening again, and also explain to my husband why its important that he must be strict about that behaviour too. The lad is at school now so if he deliberately hits someone there, he could get into real trouble.

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 08:34:19

Sparklefizz

He needs to stop it KatyaStrings because schools are very hot on anything like this and his behaviour could easily be misinterpreted. A child of that age only learns that behaviour at home. Whatever his reason for doing it, it's inappropriate unless he is being abducted, and needs to be stopped.

That is a good point, Sparklefizz. I will tell my husband this so he can be properly vigilant about the lad doing it - as I said, I've seen him do it to his dad and his uncle and it's a behaviour that really must stop. I will also talk to his Mum about it.

M0nica Wed 27-Aug-25 08:40:46

Was he as tolerant and accepting of ill discipline with his own children when they were young?

If he was, he is past prayng for

If he wasn't ask him nicely to justify his different standard.

The 'grabbing goolies' game has to stop now. I would put the frighteners on him, point out the connection with sexual abuse, point out the problems this 'game' could cause his grandchildren when they start school, how rigid and inflexible the rules are. Does he want his grandchildren excluded from school, social services and the police investigating their home and parents and him

mrsmeldrew Wed 27-Aug-25 08:45:07

Seems like the "gentle parenting" is going well.

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 09:14:26

mrsmeldrew

Seems like the "gentle parenting" is going well.

I know, right? 😆

Cossy Wed 27-Aug-25 09:31:07

Jaxjacky

I think the focus on genital bashing and any connotation is over the top and I’d be most offended if someone made those comments about my husband. Common behave amongst young/teenage boys, your husband needs to grow up.
I agree with BlueBelle take them out separately if your comments aren’t listened to, let your husband deal with any scrapes, bumps and bruises.

I utterly agree.

Granddad is loving being “one of the boys”, clearly adores his GC, thinks it’s a Grandparents role to spoil GC. These children are still pretty young, definitely need some boundaries, and I’m sure if you speak to him you can reach a compromise.

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 09:40:28

M0nica

Was he as tolerant and accepting of ill discipline with his own children when they were young?

If he was, he is past prayng for

If he wasn't ask him nicely to justify his different standard.

The 'grabbing goolies' game has to stop now. I would put the frighteners on him, point out the connection with sexual abuse, point out the problems this 'game' could cause his grandchildren when they start school, how rigid and inflexible the rules are. Does he want his grandchildren excluded from school, social services and the police investigating their home and parents and him

He was softer than me when our kids were young. But we co-parented very well. There were 5 of them so we never had time to 'dote' on them or give them hours of individual attention.

It's a very different dynamic with the grandchildren. I think he is trying to be 'superGrandad' and do everything in his power to keep them happy. I will talk to him about how we used to successfully parent together, and how we can bring that into our grandparenting. He himself has said he doesn't enjoy having the kids so much now as it clearly stresses me out, so I think he will be ready for a serious conversation about it.

It's not grabbing goolies. The child does it in quite a sly way - a quick punch or elbow that looks like an accident. Once or twice it has landed on target and hurt him badly and the child has seemed quite smug. It's not exactly a rough-and-tumble thing but the boy tends to run at men and clamber on them, and the goolie punch is part of that. I've seen him do it to his dad and
too. You are right, it's a behaviour that needs to stop and I am putting the family on high alert about it.

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 09:54:36

Cossy

Jaxjacky

I think the focus on genital bashing and any connotation is over the top and I’d be most offended if someone made those comments about my husband. Common behave amongst young/teenage boys, your husband needs to grow up.
I agree with BlueBelle take them out separately if your comments aren’t listened to, let your husband deal with any scrapes, bumps and bruises.

I utterly agree.

Granddad is loving being “one of the boys”, clearly adores his GC, thinks it’s a Grandparents role to spoil GC. These children are still pretty young, definitely need some boundaries, and I’m sure if you speak to him you can reach a compromise.

Cossy - yes, that's it in essence. I think when we were parents it was clear what the day-to-day boundaries ought to be so we respected each others ideas on where they lay. But as GPs, we don't see the kids that often - once a month or so - so its less clear. The boundaries are muddied by his desire to 'spoil' them, his own playful boyish energy, forgetting what boundaries are needed, and respecting the parents' boundaries too.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 27-Aug-25 10:55:04

Katya, I think you have arrived at a sensible compromise, in discussing this with the family. I posted on the other thread, where a grandfather was being " grumpy" and my message is the same here - are these behaviours that you would be happy for your grandchildren to replicate, or not?
I think that you have decided correctly.

Caleo Wed 27-Aug-25 11:36:45

KatyaStrings

M0nica

Was he as tolerant and accepting of ill discipline with his own children when they were young?

If he was, he is past prayng for

If he wasn't ask him nicely to justify his different standard.

The 'grabbing goolies' game has to stop now. I would put the frighteners on him, point out the connection with sexual abuse, point out the problems this 'game' could cause his grandchildren when they start school, how rigid and inflexible the rules are. Does he want his grandchildren excluded from school, social services and the police investigating their home and parents and him

He was softer than me when our kids were young. But we co-parented very well. There were 5 of them so we never had time to 'dote' on them or give them hours of individual attention.

It's a very different dynamic with the grandchildren. I think he is trying to be 'superGrandad' and do everything in his power to keep them happy. I will talk to him about how we used to successfully parent together, and how we can bring that into our grandparenting. He himself has said he doesn't enjoy having the kids so much now as it clearly stresses me out, so I think he will be ready for a serious conversation about it.

It's not grabbing goolies. The child does it in quite a sly way - a quick punch or elbow that looks like an accident. Once or twice it has landed on target and hurt him badly and the child has seemed quite smug. It's not exactly a rough-and-tumble thing but the boy tends to run at men and clamber on them, and the goolie punch is part of that. I've seen him do it to his dad and
too. You are right, it's a behaviour that needs to stop and I am putting the family on high alert about it.

He has taught an impressionable child a hateful behaviour. As MOnica said " Put the frighteners on him " .

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 13:28:27

Caleo

KatyaStrings

M0nica

Was he as tolerant and accepting of ill discipline with his own children when they were young?

If he was, he is past prayng for

If he wasn't ask him nicely to justify his different standard.

The 'grabbing goolies' game has to stop now. I would put the frighteners on him, point out the connection with sexual abuse, point out the problems this 'game' could cause his grandchildren when they start school, how rigid and inflexible the rules are. Does he want his grandchildren excluded from school, social services and the police investigating their home and parents and him

He was softer than me when our kids were young. But we co-parented very well. There were 5 of them so we never had time to 'dote' on them or give them hours of individual attention.

It's a very different dynamic with the grandchildren. I think he is trying to be 'superGrandad' and do everything in his power to keep them happy. I will talk to him about how we used to successfully parent together, and how we can bring that into our grandparenting. He himself has said he doesn't enjoy having the kids so much now as it clearly stresses me out, so I think he will be ready for a serious conversation about it.

It's not grabbing goolies. The child does it in quite a sly way - a quick punch or elbow that looks like an accident. Once or twice it has landed on target and hurt him badly and the child has seemed quite smug. It's not exactly a rough-and-tumble thing but the boy tends to run at men and clamber on them, and the goolie punch is part of that. I've seen him do it to his dad and
too. You are right, it's a behaviour that needs to stop and I am putting the family on high alert about it.

He has taught an impressionable child a hateful behaviour. As MOnica said " Put the frighteners on him " .

No, he hasn't taught the child this behaviour! My husband sees the 'accidents' as simply that. Because husband is busy being clambered on, he can't see the deliberate attempts on his gonads like I can from across the room. Whereas I can see a pattern in the child's behaviour - I saw him do it to other men in the family before he did it to his grandfather. It probably stems from the child doing it once and getting an extreme pain response from a grown man, which he found interesting. The same child also has a habit of slyly stepping on peoples toes. I always wear strong shoes when he's around!

welbeck Wed 27-Aug-25 13:57:50

Sounds like a sadist in the making.
Yet everyone finds it amusing ?
Concerning.

Berd Wed 27-Aug-25 14:15:53

I agree. This is a small child who has learned that he can target a very specific place which will cause pain and yet be tolerated. As others have said, if he learns it’s ok he will probably try it at school & before they know it the parents will have a safeguarding issue on their hands. Your DH is undermining his GKs’ future as human beings by his ‘no boundaries’ attitude. He seems to think he’s in a popularity contest. That’s all about building his ego & not about loving the GKs & wanting the best for them.

mabon2 Wed 27-Aug-25 15:23:39

Your husband is encouraging them to grow up into selfish adults. We had four grandsons and from the word go they knew their place and how far they could go. They came to stay with us one weekend a month, we never had any trouble with them, they need to be taught how to behave, good manners dont cost a penny.

Cambsnan Wed 27-Aug-25 15:45:31

Do we need a little history here. How was he as a Dad? Is he trying to make up for something? Or maybe his own dad was a little harsh. Maybe involve Mum as set a few ground rules?

V3ra Wed 27-Aug-25 16:08:08

No, he hasn't taught the child this behaviour! My husband sees the 'accidents' as simply that. Because husband is busy being clambered on, he can't see the deliberate attempts on his gonads like I can from across the room. Whereas I can see a pattern in the child's behaviour - I saw him do it to other men in the family before he did it to his grandfather. It probably stems from the child doing it once and getting an extreme pain response from a grown man, which he found interesting. The same child also has a habit of slyly stepping on peoples toes. I always wear strong shoes when he's around!

So as you've personally witnessed this repeated, deliberate and unpleasant behaviour I presume you've read the riot act spoken to your grandson about it?
Has anybody else?

Allira Wed 27-Aug-25 16:15:57

Stop That Right Now
is all that needs to be said.

But alert the parents in case he does this at school - or if someone at school is doing this to him.

BlueBelle Wed 27-Aug-25 16:37:09

I think Katya you need to talk to your husband and explain that by not reprimanding his grandsons rather sadistic behaviour not only the low blows, but stamping on peoplesfeet etc he is encouraging it and if he loves the grandchild it needs to be stopped before he gets into BIG trouble at school

The child is just 6 years old he needs this rather vicious behaviour stopping as of now You too aren’t reprimanding enough because you said you put on stronger shoes while he’s around you shouldn’t need to change your shoes you stop him immediately and use whatever punishment you normally use time out/ losing a treat, whatever you see fit but it needs stopping, what next hurting animals or small children

Is this the same one who was standing up on his chair in the restaurant ?

madeleine45 Wed 27-Aug-25 17:01:53

One possibility you might consider is to a) take photos of them with your phone when this unacceptable behaviour is happening, or b) enlisting help from a close friend to take some photos of this behaviour. When you have enough photos to prove that this is not a one off situation, then I would start planning.

Try and arrange for a time when you are with the parents , but the children are either in bed or elsewhere. Then you can engineer the conversation to some of the behaviour, and ask in a calm way if they do the same things at home or are they allowed to behave like that at school playtimes. If the parents either genuinely dont know what you are on about, because the children do not behave like this elsewhere, you say oh look I have a couple of photos from last wednesday etc and show them. That way you are not speaking in an accusing or sort of tell tale way, but quite innocently showing what happened last time etc. Then you can take your lead from their reactions. Now I can see that this could cause problems between your husband and you, but at least the subject will have to be addressed, and this should lead to everyone knowing what exactly is happening and what needs to change.

I am with the others in that , if after you have had this discussion, the behaviour carries on, then every time I would collect your coat or whatever and leave. If you have one car, then I would also take that and leave without stating a time you will be back. This will mean he has to deal with the children, either get a taxi to take them home, or contact the parents and explain that you have gone out and they need to collect them. If that does not ring alarm bells with the parents , then I think there is a bigger problem that it now appears, and would be very concerned about the situation.

Whatever the outcome, he has shown poor judgement at the least in his treatment of you and of the children. He is as you say wanting to be mr nice guy, but he is not their age, although he is behaving as if he was, and the children will learn at some point in the future - preferably sooner rather than later - that their behaviour will gain them no friends and they are more likely to be seen as bullies and parents of other children may decide that they do not want them to be part of their childrens friends. So in the long term , he is actually making things much worse and his lack of adult judgement needs to be addressed. If he becomes very defensive when spoken to by either the parents or you, then it is something that really needs to be addressed for his sake too. But whatever happens , you are NOT wrong at all in your feelings and attitudes , and you have every right to refuse to be any part of this scenario. As an intelligent adult you are right to make sure the parents know what is happening and then it is their responsibility to deal with both the children and the father. Not only are you behaving as a responsible adult should do in these circumstance but you are clearly showing your husband that there are lines that he may not cross and get away with. I hope things can be resolved in a positive way but from what you have said , there is definitely a situation that needs to be dealt with and at the earliest possible time. You might mention to your husband that he might not enjoy this if he allowed it to go on until they were as strong as he is and he would come off worse!! If only selfish things matter to him the thought that he might get hurt could have some force!! Good luck and dont let him try to con you ,that you are in any way responsible for whatever happens next. Should he blame you that his behaviour is no longer tolerated without realizing that he has been behaving in a totally unacceptable way then I would simply state that in the same circumstances you would speak up in the same way.
I do hope that things can improve, but whatever happens you are correct in seeing it as something that must be dealt with.

KatyaStrings Wed 27-Aug-25 18:05:22

V3ra

^No, he hasn't taught the child this behaviour! My husband sees the 'accidents' as simply that. Because husband is busy being clambered on, he can't see the deliberate attempts on his gonads like I can from across the room. Whereas I can see a pattern in the child's behaviour - I saw him do it to other men in the family before he did it to his grandfather. It probably stems from the child doing it once and getting an extreme pain response from a grown man, which he found interesting. The same child also has a habit of slyly stepping on peoples toes. I always wear strong shoes when he's around!^

So as you've personally witnessed this repeated, deliberate and unpleasant behaviour I presume you've read the riot act spoken to your grandson about it?
Has anybody else?

Yes, of course I tell him to stop in no uncertain terms! But he is very skilled at making it look accidental.

V3ra Wed 27-Aug-25 18:18:04

Yes, of course I tell him to stop in no uncertain terms! But he is very skilled at making it look accidental.

Well as you know full well it's deliberate, you need to tell him he's having rather too many accidents for your liking and it needs to stop.

I'm finding it hard to understand how one six-year old is being allowed to rule the roost.
You're doing him no favours.

BlueBelle Wed 27-Aug-25 18:29:38

This 6 year old sounds totally out of control on a lot of levels Hitting, punching, stomping on peoples feet and standing on his chair in a restaurant What do his parents think of his behaviour have you ever discussed your concerns with them I think they really need to know what’s going on
Needs a family pow wow I think

StripeyGran Wed 27-Aug-25 18:29:49

How does a little kid know to kick in genital area? Is this genuine?