"everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix"

Last year, Cosmopolitan ran an interesting article on people who are Intersex. One man's story was this:

"I have an XXY chromosome set with Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, so that's two elements of intersex in one body. I have one ovary, a uterus, and a vagina (via vaginaplasty and labiaplasty) behind my scrotum, but I also have a functional penis and one testicle. I have no body hair, female skeleton, and I menstruate. In the old days, they used to call people like me a "true hermaphrodite," but that is not the modern term. So I play the role of male, knowing that I am biologically neither male nor female."

Here's the article. www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a32957/sex-talk-realness-being-intersex/

Some people are born with challenging physicality and I applaud the CRS for recognising this.

Women's services, needs and identities do NOT need to be erased in order to provide services and inclusion to other groups

they could run ALONGSIDE women's groups/services/campaigns, not in place of them!

Exactly again notanan

Hear, hear!

"surely only those who were absolutely sure they were born with the wrong body/ gender would put themselves through such a procedure"

The majority of transwomen (formerly known as men) do not put themselves through any surgical procedure and often do not take hormonal treatment either.

LiltingLyrics, thanks for that info.
How would intersex people be helped by the wording 'everyone with a cervix'?
Do you think that making the campaign more obscure to its traditional target of 'women' is a good move?

Intersex and transgender are two different things. You can't conflate the two. Intersex is a physical condition whereas transgender is a feeling.

A very small number of women have two cervixes - to be really inclusive should CRUK have said ‘people with cervix(es)’? CRUK have been very clear that they have used the people word entirely to treat transmen inclusively and in so doing have joined those in throwing women and the concept of women under the bus. Have you heard about Hostelling Scotland now and their single sex dorms? Yep you’ve got it- self id as a woman and off you go into the woman’s dorm with your penis and the 16 year old girls and the showers with flimsy curtains, It’s the latest ManFriday campaign. When is this collective madness going to end?

It's not just Hostelling Scotland.

YHA in England and Wales states :
"YHA hostels typically offer a mixture of private bedrooms and shared single gender dormitories. Some hostels offer bedrooms with en-suite toilet and shower facilities. Other hostels have shared toilets and showers. Transgender guests are welcome to use the accommodation and facilities which match their gender identity."
(my underlining)

www.yha.org.uk/faqs

To anyone who has concerns about this, I urge you to make your concerns known to YHA or Hostelling Scotland, or both.

Here is a reply from Cancer Research UK :

'I am sorry to read about the concerns that have been caused by our recent tweet.

We phrased our information on cervical screening awareness week to highlight that Cervical cancer develops in anyone who has a cervix. This includes women as well as people with other gender identities such as trans men. Also, screening might not be relevant for all women such as those who have had a full hysterectomy. We phrased our information on cervical screening awareness week to reflect this. Some women identify as men but still have a cervix, so we wanted to make it clear that they would still need to be aware of the screening programme.

Please be assured that this is absolutely not about erasing women. It’s our duty to make sure that people who are eligible for this screening programme know about it which includes trans men. I completely understand your concern about how we communicate cancer awareness to men and women and I will pass this feedback on for consideration in future communications.

We do always welcome feedback and so I do thank you for getting in touch. We definitely want to ensure that our messaging is as accessible as possible for lots of different audiences. We will make sure that’s considered for future communications.

Many thanks,

Sophie Marshall

Senior Executive - Supporter Engagement'

I am sure most transmen are fully aware that they are biologically female.

If a transman has forgotten that they are a woman, they have probably also forgotten that they have a cervix.

That response doesn't answer any of the questions about women who are unaware they even have a cervix, women for whom English is not their first language and, as a friend pointed out, women with learning disabilities who may not understand this new term of people with cervixes.

If a transman has forgotten that they are a woman, they have probably also forgotten that they have a cervix

oh now FarNorth don't go using logic on this issue. It's not allowed.

SueDonim, I've written back making that point again. I breathlessly await their response.
If anyone else feels like contacting Cancer Research UK on this, all to the good.
This is not quibbling about minor wording, it's trying to ensure CRUK gets a clear message out to those who need it.
It may be 'only' a tweet today, next time it could be all of their advertising if they think everyone's fine with it.

The terminology confuses me .
So a 'transman' was a girl at birth?
And a 'transwoman' was a boy at birth?
There are so many 'inbetweens'. Babies born with ambiguous genitalia etc. What gender are they?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

The intersex issue is nothing to do with the transgender issues.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/02/male-and-female-what-is-it-like-to-be-intersex

This is an excellent article about the issues of having an intersex baby and all the associated problems. I hope it also shows why discussions about transgenderism are not related to intersex people at all.

I e-mailed on Sunday and haven't received a reply.
I wonder if that is due to volume or not?

I would have thought that most transmen who still have lady bits would have the sense to realise who its aimed at. Surely men read the adverts too in the same way as women read adverts aimed at men and nag them into having prostate cancer tests.

I’m upset that it’s agist. Why stop at 64?

maryeliza54, thanks for the link to the informative article. I've only known one baby who'd "fit" into the categories described in the article. What a challenge for parents, who clearly should have excellent support from paediatricians, psychologists, surgeons etc. I expect that those services are in the early stages of developing understanding of better ways of supporting the children and their parents, that the rather simplistic approaches to date.
As you say, intersex is different to the issues faced by transgender people.

Fennel, yes the words are made up of trans + gender they wish to be.
It's nothing to do with physical reality, only the feelings and wishes of the trans person.

NfkDumpling Re the cut-off age of 64. As I understand it, screening picks up pre-cancerous cells which might in some 20 or 30 years develop into the full-blown disease. If you've not developed precancerous cells by your 60's, it's unlikely you ever will.

I've also read that women who have had five consecutive clear tests are also unlikely to ever develop the disease.

Don't take my word for this, of course, as I'm not a health professional, but you might like to Google to find out more and be reassured.

I’ll go with that. Thanks!

Yes 64 is evidence based

Don’t think there’s anything wrong with the Cancer Research UK wording. What a fuss over nothing.