"everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix"

we have already been told that period products are for "menstrators" and should not be called feminine hygiene products.

Menstrators is as bad as breeders

yet if we say that being a woman is in any way related to our biology and not girly feelings and frilly frocks WE are the ones being "reductive"

What total bullshit. I've heard it all now

I have looked on their site, it actually says,( after the paragraph to women )

Cervical smears also apply to other people within the age range who have a cervix such as trans men.

Bridgeit their recent twitter activity re smears makes no reference at all to women.

yet they have tweets about fathers day related to mens cancers and nobody is offended by THAT

transmen were of course socialised as women as children unlike transwomen which is relevant when considering why men's services don't get attacked in the same way that womens services do!

How dare we have anything if our own eh?

Ohh, I don’t go on Twitter Notanana2, just looked on their page,where it was written as I said earlier.
Perhaps it has been transcribed differently on there.

I guess it speaks for itself that would have to mean anyone with cervix.

Begs the question would we choose to still be woman if given a choice? Or perhaps just choose the nice bits( are there any?)

I can't un-chose it. It's just what I am. It has nothing to do with what I wear or how I feel.

you probably could un choose it Now notanan2, but to be serious surely only those who were absolutely sure they were born with the wrong body/ gender would put themselves through such a procedure

Not all woman have a cervix and not all people with a cervix are women.

I don't really see any problem with the wording of the campaign.

I regard myself as an intelligent woman. I'd had a hysterectomy and a few years later queried with my GP why I hadn't been called forward for the regular smear test. I felt a tad foolish when I was told I no longer had a cervix. I had no idea that it had been removed during the operation, had no idea that there were two different kinds of hysterectomy - total hysterectomy where the uterus and cervix are removed and and supracervical hysterectomy where the cervix is left in tact.

Incidentally, it's a common misconception that a total hysterectomy includes removal of the ovaries. If the ovaries are removed, that's a bilateral salpingoophorectomy or BSO.

Bridget transmen experience mysogyny from transactivists who are mostly born male. They are frequently ignored by the LGBQT community (along with lesbians)...

.. which is why making MEN'S toilets safe & inclusive for transmen barely gets a whisper of a mention...

The attacks are always on womens rights, bodies, services & spaces and unfortunately no amount of trousers or body hair would make me immune to that

Thanks for sharing that with us LiltingLyrics,& I do hope all is well with you now.
I too have never been especially Knowledgeable about all our bits & bobs.?

Yes it’s a changing world isn’t it Notanan2, unfortunately those who are genuine often have their circumstances hijacked & used to push through someone else’s darker agenda.

Yes it’s a changing world isn’t it Notanan2

no. it's the opposite. It's more of the same: silencing and repression of women.

Do you know, I'm relieved I'm no longer 64

Talk about one step forward and twenty back on the women's equality front. I'm just a bit cross.

not all people with a cervix are women

Could someone explain this to me, please?

I get the part about not all women having a cervix cos they've had it removed.

Oh, wait! Girls are not women, I suppose. Is it really that silly?

it means that transmen aren't women based in the premise that being a woman is defined as liking girly things and having girly feelings and has nothing to do with our biology.

nobody says this about prostates or testicles re mens health campaigns though. Men are allowed to have mens services...

a transman is someone born female who identifies as a man who may or may not have had surgery and/or hormone therapy to achieve stereotypically male characteristics.

It's all fine so long as you believe that what defines a woman = identifying with gender steriotypes.

Ah. Thanks, notanan. So Cancer Research should have just stuck with the word "women" and taken the ridiculous uproar of offence on the chin.

In short: SIGH!

no harm in including transmen ALSO or even targeting them specifically in an extra campaign.

The issue is that the word "woman" and "female" in relation to female biology is said to be "transphobic" because it offends "women with penises"

but IMO the offense and campaigning isn't coming from transmen with cervixes. It's coming from transwomen who express a lot of anger at anything which is targeted/worded directly for women with female biology.

Because who are we (women with female bodies) to dare to define ourselves as a group?

not all transwomen, some are very much on our side. Others are quietly getting in with their lives..

but most trans activists are transwomen not transmen and behave like entitled women hating mysogynists

you don't see the same vitriol aimed at men from transmen at all!

They sound like angry men. Funny, that.

Exactly not it’s the transwomen who are the real issue. I do wonder why CRUK moved from the sensible words on their website to the people word in their campaign? I wonder how many transmen have been lobbying them? I guess it’s much more likely to have been the TRAs. I wonder what % of transmen haven’t been turning up for their smears and if it’s high, if this campaign will help with the use of the people word? I can’t possibly know but a guess would be that if they aren’t turning up it might be more to do with presenting themselves looking like a man to a nurse in a women’s health environment. Maybe in all of this what might be being lost is that the specific female health needs of transmen are not being addressed in ways that make it easy for them to access these services? But I fail to see how a campaign like this which erases the word women would help them? They are presenting as men in everyday life and women are not. It’s a mess I think but this isn’t the way to solve it.