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Privatisation through the backdoor?

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Urmstongran Tue 26-Feb-19 22:52:38

What do GNers think of this article in The Guardian today?

While Branson has focused on his high-profile efforts to put tourists into space, his businesses have been hoovering up low-profile contracts in unusual places, taking advantage of changes to the NHS that have forced local service providers to consider private companies.

The services include:

A nine-year contract to provide sexual health services for councils in the north-east of England

A £700m deal to run district nursing, dementia care and support for vulnerable children in Bath and north-east Somerset

A contract to run GPs’ surgeries in Essex

A partnership to deliver ‘startup’ loans for the government

Healthcare, including dentistry, in a number of low-category prisons

A contract with NHS England to give school flu jobs in Devon

Virgin’s first foray into healthcare was in 2008 when it announced plans for six branded clinics offering a range of services. However, it was only in 2010 when it bought a stake in an existing provider, Assura, that it began to show greater ambition in the market.

Since then, Virgin Care Services Ltd has bid for – and won – dozens more.

Tergly Sat 02-Mar-19 13:11:35

EllanVannin

We do pay towards the NHS (including millionaires). The service is "free at the point of delivery" which is not the same as being free.

Jaycee5 Sat 02-Mar-19 13:23:51

He also had some sort of music festival at the Venezuelan border in support of the leader that the US wants to impose. He is a megalomaniac. He wants to run the world and saw nothing wrong with taking so much money out of our health service. I can't understand why so many people try to lionise him.

Diva12 Sat 02-Mar-19 14:21:40

Just in touch with a friend who is critically ill in local nhs hospital . He’s had a bad night , with treatments going awry. But he says there are only 2 nurses on duty to cope with 20 ill patients - and one of them is working out her notice as she can’t cope anymore. It’s going to get worse, when treatment in EU comes to a halt. It’s a classic tactic - run the service into the ground, sell it off cheap and reap the profits. Shameful - but many of you voted this government in. Time for proportional representation.

GreenGran78 Sat 02-Mar-19 16:40:16

Charleygirl5 and the Police are in the same situation. I think that they spend more time dealing with mental health, drink and domestic problems. Large portions of their shifts are spent being social workers, instead of being able to deal with crime.

GreenGran78 Sat 02-Mar-19 16:53:24

GillT57 Trivial 999 calls are, unfortunately, not an urban myth. You only have to Google it to find numerous accounts of people phoning with all manner of idiotic problems from "I've got a hedgehog in the garden, and it's scaring me" to "I dropped a glass on my foot, 10 hours ago" Some of these idiots actually end up in A & E, taking up the staff's precious time.

Ilovecheese Sat 02-Mar-19 16:58:49

GreenGran78 Surely even if people do phone for an ambulance for these idiotic problems, an ambulance is not sent out to them.

Diva12 Spot on about running the service into the ground to sell off. Andrew Lansley's Health and Social care bill, brought in under the coalition Government was preparing the way for privatisation.

EllanVannin Sat 02-Mar-19 17:22:37

You should be lucky that Grayling isn't running the NHS !!

sarahellenwhitney Sat 02-Mar-19 18:21:11

When I would have had a lengthy wait on the NHS, and in view of my pain. I had an op carried out privately.
A few years on when needing similar I was advised it could be carried out, much sooner than expected, so went NHS.
The nursing care on both counts was second to none .I could not say the same applied to the second op where a bit of reassurance following the op, and only a surgeon could give, was involved .

ExaltedWombat Sat 02-Mar-19 20:00:39

GPs have always been independent contractors.

Lilyflower Sun 03-Mar-19 11:25:45

"We treat millionaires for free !"

A small cost considering the tax they pay. Full Fact, the fact checking charity states:-

The highest earning 1% in the UK pay an estimated 28% of all income tax ."

In contrast:-

"The percentage of income tax paid by the bottom 50% of earners has fallen from almost 12.6% to just fewer than 10%."

Furthermore:-

"The top 50% of earners make up roughly 90% of income tax receipts, slightly more than back in 2000."

We can afford to treat the odd millionaire without resentment - but we could hardly afford not to.

maddyone Tue 05-Mar-19 09:48:12

How dare anyone suggest that millionaires should not be treated for free on the NHS. What an utterly selfish attitude, considering how much the higher paid pay in tax, as Lilyflower correctly pointed out. So some people think that the people who actually pay for our NHS shouldn't qualify for free treatment from the institution that they in the main pay for is unbelievable! The selfishness of some people is truly disgusting.

maddyone Tue 05-Mar-19 09:52:28

Perhaps instead of making such selfish suggestions we should start charging the time wasters for the ambulance call outs and doctor time they waste. Several members of my family are doctors, and believe you me, there are a lot of time wasters and unreasonable people out there.