With UK Covid deaths the highest in Europe, is this living with Covid?

I would assume that the excess death figure (which I don’t happen to have unfortunately) will show that those people did actually die from covid.

We have been COVID free until the end of this September, when our vaccinated DDiL caught it and both unvaccinated children went down with asymptotic COVID. DDiL has an auto immune disease, but although she felt really unwell for a week, by the end of the following week, she was up, about and racing around as usual. She is in her 50s, so now in the age group where the illness can be serious.

She caught the illness from a friend of her children. Unvaccinated children seem to be both, numerically the group with the highest frequency of COVID, and the main cause of transmission so the sooner we vaccinate those 14 and over and continue to investigate the safety of innoculating even younger cchildren, the sooner the disease will be under control.

Alegrias1

We're not going to have the exponential discussion again, are we?

Sorry growstuff

I wasn't planning to, but why not? Some people don't seem to understand what it is. Some people don't seem to understand the word "if" either. I wrote "if". At the moment , nobody knows whether the growth in case numbers is exponential, but there certainly seems to be an upward trend. Almost half of the cases are in young people, so the growth isn't reflected in deaths, although death rates and hospitalisations are creeping up. Only a fool wouldn't be aware and cautious.

Really? Not the numbers we’re reading about?

The average daily number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the UK is currently 111. I don't see how keeping that figure from anybody has a positive effect on mental or physical health.

The figure is relatively stable, although it's still too high.

It's just not realistic to think that all those people tested positive and then died from a completely unrelated condition. The figure also ignores people who died 29+ days after a positive test and it's known that some people are ill with Covid for longer than that.

Growth in the number of cases isn't exponential at the moment, but as anybody who knows anything about maths knows, exponential growth is difficult to spot at the beginning of the curve.

Shirlb

Really? Not the numbers we’re reading about?

I'm not sure what you mean. Which numbers?

All the while there is a minority of people refusing to be vaccinated everyone else is at risk. How do you know whether the person closest to you has/has not been vaccinated. Big gatherings at events and not a mask in place! No wonder I am reluctant to go anywhere, living alone with no close neighbours and pets to care for.

The more tests the more cases discovered. The figures to watch are deaths, hospitalizations and those in ICU.

We have just returned from a 4 day trip to Gibraltar.They are alot stricter than Britain. You can't get on a bus without wearing a mask .In the airport you must wear a mask and you are approached by airport staff and told to put on a mask. But in Manchester airport the public announcements are constantly telling you to wear a mask but it's not implemented lots of people were walking around without masks we are not strict enough in Britain

I feel really sorry for all those in poor health, with various conditions, that have no real choice but to continue isolation. They must feel very let down.

I have been shot down in flames before for suggesting that we should have another lockdown. I suggest it again. The country should be locked down until the numbers halve.

Way, way, bac, yes, I am that old.

we knew and were told that statistics can be argued to any case.. I don`t think I have phrased that correctly, but you get my drink

why are we so .... keeping on about this! wear masks, wash hands, social distancing, where is reasonable...

and ventilate... ventilate.. ventilate... fresh air!!!! I find so many places/buildings are NOT doing that.

That , for me, is living with it.. and God forbid if I say... we have lived with flu and other very contagious etc.. diseases for centuries! how? by not ignoring it is there, by being sensible... and not expecting things to go back to NORMAL!

Back to the original post. Masks are still worn in shops, restaurants, indoor venues and on transport in Scotland - a much more cautious approach - long may it continue - I feel much safer than I did during my recent visit to the beautiful Lake District.

I agree with you polnan. The way to "live with it" and get back to any sense of normality is to to be careful, not pretend it's all over.

It’s the same as Scotland in Wales and Northern Ireland too auntiejauntie, but unfortunately in Wales at the moment our rates are still going up regardless.

There may well be more cases of Covid due to people dropping their guard, however deaths are down massively due to our very successful vaccine programme.

Hetty58

I feel really sorry for all those in poor health, with various conditions, that have no real choice but to continue isolation. They must feel very let down.

I am one of those people Hetty. I shielded for well over a year and am now cautiously getting out and about again, but with a mask, social distancing and staying away from enclosed or crowded spaces.
It’s not that bad. The worst thing is finding how dramatically my fitness has dropped, in spite of using a treadmill, weights and step exercises, as well as gardening during lockdown.

The average daily number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the UK is currently 111. I don't see how keeping that figure from anybody has a positive effect on mental or physical health.

The original post, now corrected by the OP said the number was 45,000 a month which is 1,500 deaths a day, not 111. If that's not misinformation liable to make people think things are worse than they really are, I don't know what is.

And, as everyone who knows anything about maths knows, exponential isn't a synonym for "steep".

Annaram1

I have been shot down in flames before for suggesting that we should have another lockdown. I suggest it again. The country should be locked down until the numbers halve.

We should not have another lockdown.

Lockdowns are not a zero sum game; people die of other things, they have mental problems, and the economy is severely affected. And that's not putting money before people, its recognising that if we don't have functioning businesses, we don't have a sustainable society.

And this is as good as its going to get. We can't lock down every time cases get high, or we'll never get out of that cycle.

Why halve? Why is that your target Annaram1? Why not quarter? Or zero? We need to do things for a reason, not just at random.

Please stop going on about masks. They definitely do not stop the spread of any diseases unless they are medical grade. The ones people are wearing are in fact very bad for your health.

Over 45000 cases a day is incredible!!! New Zealand and Australia had the right idea - lockdowns, and they conquered covid. They thought even a couple of hundred a day was too many. Why not here?

chrissy08 please stop spreading untruths. Do you think you know better than the World Health Organisation?

Alegrias1

^The average daily number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the UK is currently 111. I don't see how keeping that figure from anybody has a positive effect on mental or physical health.^

The original post, now corrected by the OP said the number was 45,000 a month which is 1,500 deaths a day, not 111. If that's not misinformation liable to make people think things are worse than they really are, I don't know what is.

And, as everyone who knows anything about maths knows, exponential isn't a synonym for "steep".

I didn't claim exponential means "steep". I know what it means.

chrissy08

Please stop going on about masks. They definitely do not stop the spread of any diseases unless they are medical grade. The ones people are wearing are in fact very bad for your health.

Yes, they do and it's been shown that they do.

Where do you get this misinformation?

I'm sure you do growstuff.

But many others don't and it gets on my wick.

Sorry