Is Gender Critical the new Pro Life?

What depths some sink to when they try to disprove something that is patently true.
If the feminists who currently are lobbying for women only spaces started a movement that said fund places for abused people properly we might not only have better services for women but for anyone who has ever suffered abuse. Then children who run away from abusive parents, women, transwomen, men and transmen could choose the place they were accommodated and no one would be insisting on anyone taking precedence or anyone being refused a place in a refuge which suited their needs. But hey much better to wallow in the patriarch generated debate

VioletSky

Farnorth i have no idea who has and hasn't applied for jobs in refuges, have you?

I know that Edinburgh Rape Crisis now has a male transwoman CEO, who admits that he did not say he was trans when applying and being interviewed for his previous job with ERC.
I know that ERC job adverts cite the Equality Act exemptions but follow that up with 'transwomen are encouraged to apply'.

I also know that senior management of Scottish Women's Aid, and other similar organisations, say that trans inclusion is all fine but that is not the prevalent view among staff of the refuges - who have actual experience of the situation.

What depths some sink to when they try to disprove something that is patently true.

Some people? Again? And it is your logic that says there is nothing patently true about it.

If the feminists who currently are lobbying for women only spaces started a movement that said fund places for abused people properly we might not only have better services for women but for anyone who has ever suffered abuse.
So it's the fault of feminists now? Of course you know better than others what they should be doing - why not start up a 'movement' yourself? I'm sure it will be amazingly successful and will cut through Tory policy like a knife through butter.

Then children who run away from abusive parents, women, transwomen, men and transmen could choose the place they were accommodated and no one would be insisting on anyone taking precedence or anyone being refused a place in a refuge which suited their needs.
That would be lovely. But what would happen if a transwoman 'wanted to be accommodated' in a female refuge? Wouldn't that mean we were back where we started?

But hey much better to wallow in the patriarch generated debate
Well yes. This whole thing is patriarchal, IMO, as it is men who benefit from being able to count in female statistics, as the HoC 'example' showed.

Oh for an edit button. The first bit of that post should show that it was a quote from trisher?

trisher are you running such a campaign, as you feel strongly about it, rather than insisting that males should be in the same refuges as women?

The original women's refuges, I'm sure you know, were set up by women to help each other because of the huge need for them. They got no funding from councils etc.
Why did other groups not also do that?
Why do they not do it now?

23% of this government are female, 36% of the H of Commons are female.
This country has a huge problem with male domination (nothing to do with transpeople). The government is full of men.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01250/`

Thanks for that info, trisher.
Would the situation be improved if some of those male MPs identified, and were counted, as women?

FarNorth

trisher are you running such a campaign, as you feel strongly about it, rather than insisting that males should be in the same refuges as women?

The original women's refuges, I'm sure you know, were set up by women to help each other because of the huge need for them. They got no funding from councils etc.
Why did other groups not also do that?
Why do they not do it now?

Yes that is so rarely mentioned, that women set up those original refuges solely with their own efforts and money. No council or government help for a very long time.

But trisher and VioletSky and GagaJo all claim to be what they call proper feminists, who support transgender etc, etc, whereas I am only a feminist who supports the rights of women (AHF) whether or not they are lesbian.
As FarNorth says, The original women’s refuges were set up by women to help each other because of the huge need for them.

So where is the evidence that these other proper feminists are doing anything about it for all the other needy groups they mention.

*The original women's refuges, I'm sure you know, were set up by women to help each other because of the huge need for them. They got no funding from councils etc.
Why did other groups not also do that?
Why do they not do it now?*

Because it is far easier to piggyback on women. It's what the patriarchy does. If we don't budge up and let them in, we are being transphobic, and possibly Nazi on top.

Why of why oh why does this pattern of women being blamed for men’s behaviour, held responsible for the emotional well-being of children, adults, wider society, ever stop?

As has been stated, we old feminists worked effectively together to raise money, find buildings, come together as volunteers to set up the first women’s refuges. Help me understand why it’s now our responsibility to set aside all the processes and structures which we knew women and children fleeing violence from men they’d loved and been abused by needed?

The refuge I went to was Christian, I also used a Christian counselling service. I donated to 1 while it still existed and I still donate to the other.

Is that good enough?

VS good enough for what?

FarNorth

^23% of this government are female, 36% of the H of Commons are female.^
This country has a huge problem with male domination (nothing to do with transpeople). The government is full of men.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01250/`

Thanks for that info, trisher.
Would the situation be improved if some of those male MPs identified, and were counted, as women?

Thinking about this "yes" let's have much more diverse MPs Trans MPs, Gay MPs, Black MPs, Women MPs. Let's break the cycle of white male privilege in government.

Thinking about this "yes" let's have much more diverse MPs Trans MPs, Gay MPs, Black MPs, Women MPs. Let's break the cycle of white male privilege in government.

You'll hear no argument from me. But that wish has nothing to do with the argument.

I would be interested to hear your response to the question of what would happen if male MPs identified as female. How would that promote a more feminist government, and how does that sit with your previous assertions that men transitioning will have no impact on women in the workplace, and that women have nothing to lose by passively accepting that TWAW?

Well anyone transitioning would have to offer themselves up for election like all other MPs so if people didn't like it they could vote for someone else.

Would they have to declare their 'gender status' though?

Also, people have already voted in all the men, so on that basis your call for more diverse representation falls flat on its face, unfortunately. Are you suggesting that if people weren't happy with that, they could have voted for someone else?

But the words Male and female are meaningless according to some. Sex is a spectrum and apparently we are all at some point in this spectrum. So what does it matter what percentage are men.

And as men are bad we definitely dont want transmen in positions of power because transmen are men obviously.

A woman’s right to be safe is more important than tran rights. I think most people except those involved are not interested in all this talk about genders, using the word mother, what we can and can’t do, surely minorities have a voice but mist fit in with the majority, are we supposed to change everything for every minority group?

Galaxy you’ll get your wrist smacked! All the same, how would it help if the ‘women’ people voted for turned out to be TW ie not AHF and men got voted in as they have been. That would mean an even more ‘patriarchal’ society, because the one thing we could guarantee is that TW would not be trying to improve things for AHF if it interfered with their aims for TW rights.
I can see why trisher (who still hasn’t answered my questions) would vote for that.

This country has a huge problem with male domination (nothing to do with transpeople). The government is full of men.

Ain't that the truth! One of those males is Keir Starmer, Leader of the Labour Party. He's the one that says that anyone can have a cervix, remember? And, whilst thinking about the Labour Party and their gender critical ideals, spare a thought for Gil House, long time member of the LP, who had his membership suspended because he had the audacity to say that only women experienced the menopause.

DRAFT CHARGE

Mr Gilbert House (the Respondent) has engaged in conduct prejudicial and/or grossly detrimental to the Party in breach of Chapter 2, Clause 1.8 of the Labour Party Rule Book by engaging in conduct which:

a) may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility or prejudice based on gender reassignment or identity

i) in October 2021, Mr Gilbert shared a post on Facebook from the NHS regarding World Perimenopause Day. Mr House stated "Important message about the menopause from the NHS without mention of women (shocked face emoji) What's going on? (item 1)

ii) In October 2021, in the same post Mr House stated "women has become a dirty word. It's not being inclusive if you exclude women". (item 2)

iii) In October 2021, in the same post, Mr House stated "Only women experience the menopause" (item 3)

Within 24 hours of this being exposed in the Telegraph and Guido Fawkes, the Labour Party wrote to him to say that his suspension had been lifted and was "an administrative error".

aye right. Sure it was. The fact still remains that even when some men, who have at least completed O level biology and have a rudimentary idea of female anatomy, they are still being cancelled/shut down and suspended if they stand up for natal women.

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Yes, Chewbacca. Kier has gone down in my estimation since that idiotic comment.

See also his nonsense about transpeople being the most vulnerable members of society. I doubt that there is in existence a genuinely unbiased article on this topic, but here is one that argues against this point of view very ably.

Chewbacca

^This country has a huge problem with male domination (nothing to do with transpeople). The government is full of men.^

Ain't that the truth! One of those males is Keir Starmer, Leader of the Labour Party. He's the one that says that anyone can have a cervix, remember? And, whilst thinking about the Labour Party and their gender critical ideals, spare a thought for Gil House, long time member of the LP, who had his membership suspended because he had the audacity to say that only women experienced the menopause.

DRAFT CHARGE

Mr Gilbert House (the Respondent) has engaged in conduct prejudicial and/or grossly detrimental to the Party in breach of Chapter 2, Clause 1.8 of the Labour Party Rule Book by engaging in conduct which:

a) may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility or prejudice based on gender reassignment or identity

i) in October 2021, Mr Gilbert shared a post on Facebook from the NHS regarding World Perimenopause Day. Mr House stated "Important message about the menopause from the NHS without mention of women (shocked face emoji) What's going on? (item 1)

ii) In October 2021, in the same post Mr House stated "women has become a dirty word. It's not being inclusive if you exclude women". (item 2)

iii) In October 2021, in the same post, Mr House stated "Only women experience the menopause" (item 3)

Within 24 hours of this being exposed in the Telegraph and Guido Fawkes, the Labour Party wrote to him to say that his suspension had been lifted and was "an administrative error".

aye right. Sure it was. The fact still remains that even when some men, who have at least completed O level biology and have a rudimentary idea of female anatomy, they are still being cancelled/shut down and suspended if they stand up for natal women.

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Kier Starmer is a Grade A plonker. Don't expect me to support him
But equally Mr House should know there is such a thing as the male menopause www.nhs.uk/conditions/male-menopause/

Allsorts

A woman’s right to be safe is more important than tran rights. I think most people except those involved are not interested in all this talk about genders, using the word mother, what we can and can’t do, surely minorities have a voice but mist fit in with the majority, are we supposed to change everything for every minority group?

I couldn't agree more, Allsorts, but these things are creeping in whilst many people are unaware or not interested, and by the time they wake up to it all, it will be too late to do anything about it.

*Kier Starmer is a Grade A plonker. Don't expect me to support him
But equally Mr House should know there is such a thing as the male menopause www.nhs.uk/conditions/male-menopause/*

Oh yes. What about the men? Let's not forget that they have a hard time too. Poor lambs.