unvaccinated should pay for hospital care

GillT57

Cessation of smoking and losing weight before surgery are not necessarily judgemental, they are to do with improved chances of success post operatively.

Agreed.

But one could argue that being vaccinated alos gives improved chances of success with treatment in the case of Covid infection (in fact it has been proven).

Nannan2

Well maybe they should expect to be 'passed over' in the queue for treatment then, in favour of the ones who are fully vaccinated yet have caught it anyway from the fools who have chosen not to get vaccinated?- im not on about the ones who cant for medical reasons, just the flakey non vaxxers.

Yes and also pass over the fat ones, smoking ones, drug taking ones, ones who don't take their tablets properly, drunk ones - doesn't work like that!

It would be far too complex to sort out.

unvaccinated should pay for hospital care

They have probably paid taxes and NI.

ElaineI

Nannan2

Well maybe they should expect to be 'passed over' in the queue for treatment then, in favour of the ones who are fully vaccinated yet have caught it anyway from the fools who have chosen not to get vaccinated?- im not on about the ones who cant for medical reasons, just the flakey non vaxxers.

Yes and also pass over the fat ones, smoking ones, drug taking ones, ones who don't take their tablets properly, drunk ones - doesn't work like that!

It actually does in many situations, when there is a shortage of beds, theatre time, and especially, organ donations.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that unvaccinated should not be charged for treatment.

It will be interesting to see how insurance companies will react, particularly for older people looking for holiday insurance to cover them whilst they are abroad or for general private medical insurance. I wouldn't be surprised to see questions about vaccination status and exclusions for treatment for covid for the unvaccinated.

Well maybe they should expect to be 'passed over' in the queue for treatment then, in favour of the ones who are fully vaccinated yet have caught it anyway from the fools who have chosen not to get vaccinated?

Didn't know you could tell who you caught it from. Does that mean if you caught it from a vaccinated fool you also have to go to the back of the queue???

Nannan2

Well maybe they should expect to be 'passed over' in the queue for treatment then, in favour of the ones who are fully vaccinated yet have caught it anyway from the fools who have chosen not to get vaccinated?- im not on about the ones who cant for medical reasons, just the flakey non vaxxers.

I am unvaccinated ( for a reason ) after 2 yrs of avoiding it I caught it from my 83yr old triple jabbed mother at Christmas your argument does not really stand up and by the way I am not a fool …

No, the unvaccinated cannot be denied health care.

Our NHS has to prioritise patients only on the basis of need.

Much as I deplore the nonsense of antivaxxers, we cannot turn them away if they get covid, any more than we would turn away smokers who get lung disease, or obese people or those like me who don't do enough exercise, if we get heart disease.

Well it’s never going to happen so not much point in discussing it really. What other countries do is their own business.

Who is talking about other countries.

In many circumstances, prioritisation and choice has to be done- same in case of shortage oc ICU beds or ventilators, etc. Treatment will not be refused or charged for, but choosing those with the best chance of a good outcome is done all the time. No reason why vaccination status cannot be part of equation.

At the point when the decision is made about the chance of a good outcome, vaccination status would be irrelevant. Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated would be as ill as each other and at that point vaccination does not make any difference.

I would not be happy to be a health care professional in a world like that. I have always treated on the basis of need without any reference to lifestyle choices or morals.

Who is talking about other countries

The OP is, Kali, the premise of the thread.