I haven’t had the Covid vaccine and I don’t know what to do now?

I wasn't talking about dr john Campbell

I was.

Well, Tim has asked/allowed Dr John to show his ZOE App statistics on his blog so he can’t think that he’s the complete loose cannon that you do volver. They sometimes do web chats together which are quite interesting and informative. It was DrJohn early in the pandemic who advised people to get an oximeter, advise that some of us passed onto others. I don’t recall any of the governments scientific advisers telling people about them and I’m sure that advice saved lives.

Yes I know that Dr Campbell had Prof Spector on. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I've never said he was a completely loose cannon, but I do believe he oversteps the limits of his knowledge. I gave up on him around the time of the Ivermectin debacle.

Dr John was a jazz musician. The man we are discussing is called Dr Campbell.

If the vaccination reduces the seriousness of COVID, so that people have it for a shorter time, it reduces the time they can pass the illness on, so they will pass it on to fewer people and thereby reduce transmission.

So whatever any drug manufacturere did or did not say, all vaccinations in fact reduce transmission.

I apologise. I call him Dr John. Having been reprimanded I shall, in future refer to him by the name you wish me to use….

I think its childish. It's how we used to refer to the GP when I was 8.

It's another way of pretending he's a nice cuddly chap with your best interests at heart, not like those nasty medical people out to get you.

John Campbell is a 'doctor'. He has a PhD - just not in medecine. My DS is a 'doctor', but he only claims to be an expert in the field he got his PhD in, and even then, acknowledges those who know even more than him!

volver

I think its childish. It's how we used to refer to the GP when I was 8.

It's another way of pretending he's a nice cuddly chap with your best interests at heart, not like those nasty medical people out to get you.

Well that’s me told then. Can I ask, by the way, what your actual scientific qualifications are given that you’re the expert that I should be listening to?

PhD. Dr Volver, that's me.

As much an authority on Covid Stats as our own dear Dr John.

Please watch this world health council conference. It is not anecdotal. The government are paying out for vaccine damage and death. The EU are also discussing risks of this vaccine. The general media do not discuss it. There are many reputable medical consultants discussing this now.

I give up.

Our government has set up a scheme whereby you can claim for damages caused by the Covid vaccine so there obviously is an issue for some. They are not known for their generosity so I would think there certainly are quite a few affected. We need to be aware of this when weighing up risks of vaccine use. I took the risk but others may not wish to.

Death attributable to Covid vaccination to Sept 22 = 13

Death attributable to Covid infection = 191,000 (actually a more than that, nearer 192,000 but I couldn’t remember six figures after leaving the statistics page)

But I know anti-Vader’s will say the figures are false anyway.?

nanna8 The fact that the government has set up a damages scheme shows that it is acting responsibly and is anticipating very few claims. If it seriously thought that there is a significant number of people who have been damaged, it would do the cost risk benefit analysis and stop vaccinations from being given.

There is a risk with every single medical intervention. Over 12 billion doses of Covid vaccination have been given worldwide. A miniscule percentage have ended up causing serious damage.

anti Vaxers

not Star Wars

Oh in the UK. Should have made that clear.

Raggletagglegypsy

Please watch this world health council conference. It is not anecdotal. The government are paying out for vaccine damage and death. The EU are also discussing risks of this vaccine. The general media do not discuss it. There are many reputable medical consultants discussing this now.

So what are you suggesting? That governments should stop vaccinating people and prevent them from having the only known means of lessening the severity of Covid? Can you imagine how much the class action lawsuit would cost, if people started suing their governments for stopping them from trying to protect themselves?

There are only two alternatives, if people aren't vaccinated:

1 Have no restrictions on anything, let the infection run rife and let it kill the vulnerable.

2 Lock up the population in their homes - with strict enforcement - until the virus has no opportunity to transmit.

Neither of the above is realistic or acceptable.

Incidentally, the French government has instigated an enquiry into the lab which promoted hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid. This was picked up by anti-vaxxers, including Trump, and did a huge amount of damage.

www.chemistryworld.com/news/french-inquiry-censures-lab-that-promoted-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid/4016238.article

Lathyrus

anti Vaxers

not Star Wars

I quite liked the idea of anti-Vaders!

The rise in stillbirths could also be related to many other things but predominantly not having the same midwife for the last weeks of pregnancy; I know this from experience in my own family.
Outwardly fit and healthy people drop down dead too without having the vaccine. You might remember the footballer a little while back.
Dementia rates of progress were probably as much due to Lockdown as the vaccine. That happened to my mother but there has been no rapid decline after each booster.
As for cancer, there are many types which go from a few cells to causing death within a short time. There are things that can increase the speed of cancer such as pregnancy so I think it probably luck of the draw.
I am sure that there are some people who are adversely affected but the large majority have no problems whatsoever. You could say the same for any medicine, vaccination or situation!

Raggletagglegypsy

Please watch this world health council conference. It is not anecdotal. The government are paying out for vaccine damage and death. The EU are also discussing risks of this vaccine. The general media do not discuss it. There are many reputable medical consultants discussing this now.

Governments pay out for vaccine damage caused by all kinds of vaccines, including whooping cough. Sadly like everything else in life (except death) nothing is 100% certain, and sadly a few, very few children/adults suffer catastrophic damage from vaccines for almost anything.

Of course the EU are discussing the risks of this vaccine. I would be worried if they weren't. The EU, like NICE keep all these things under review, so that they can respond quickly, should any problem arise.

The general media do not discuss this? In what world do you live? The general media are always discussing this - and every other aspect ofthe disease.

The problem with all you anti-vaxxers, is that what you write is full of vague non-sequiturs but completely lacking any links to peer-reviewed papers in the main, and respected medical and biomedical journals that support your health claims. Please do not say there is some conspiracy not to publish. That is the last resort of those who wouldn't recognise a peer reviewed article or a medical journal if it came up with their morning tea.

Is the World Health Council Conference the one with Aseem Malhotra?

If so, it's worth reading the FactCheck.

factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32L483D

I number of articles and scientists have shown that the talk is misleading and uses biased data.

A (not I) - typo.

growstuff thank you for that link, I have filed it for future use

Not but raggletagglegypsy, like all of her/his ilk, having posted their load of tosh, will not be seen or heard of again.

MOnica I originally read about it in one of my partner's magazines (Chemistry World, I think). I asked about p-hacking (manipulation of data analysis) and was subjected to a lengthy demonstration on how scientists exploit data to prove patterns which don't exist.

The trouble is that once these simplistic headlines, based on wrong conclusions, get out into mainstream media, it's very difficult to disprove them because most people (including me) don't understand complex statistics and they're not based on outright lies.