I did not take the Covid vaccine as I had a really bad reaction to my first flu jab when I reached that age to get a free one. I was in hospital for three days, and even advised by the doctor not to have flu jabs again.
Sadly I lost two friends with covid cited as a reason, and I have been very careful since March 2020, wearing a mask in crowded spaces and not going out much. All my friends have had their initial two injections, most of them only had a sore arm, some even no symptoms. I had booked myself in twice, but for some reason my experience after the flu injection made me chicken out. Then I started hearing about people getting ill and testing positive even after the vaccination.
I started doing some research on the internet and there are quite a few respectable doctors and scientists warning of the vaccine, how it has emergency authorisation only, the mRNA technique was trialled for other illnesses but never made it to get licensed as it did not work or there were too many side effects.
I hear of people, young people, who have heart attacks, stroke, chronic fatigue. Cancers which go from being discovered to end stage within months. Women experiencing months of menstrual problems, women having periods again years after menopause!
Withing my circle of friends I know one lady whose daughter had a still born at 8 months, who was told by midwives they have seen an increase in this happening!
The mother of another friend, her mild dementia got worse rapidly and they had to put her into a home.
All my friends are getting the booster, and urge me to get my first vaccination. I tell them of my concerns and they say, no, it is totally different to flu, this is a new technique, it is safe, so many people around the world had it and they are all fine!
We are planning to do a cruise next year around the med, something I have always wanted to do, but I need to have had two injections for booking! I am really at a loss what to do!
I have always protested the Lies, damned lies and statistics statement for just the reason you state, growstuff. It is not that figures themselves that are inaccurate or misleading, just what people do with them.
The government here is reporting 2.2 adverse effects per 1,000 Covid vaccinations. Up to June 2022 there were 13 deaths directly associated with the vaccinations for people aged 34-81. So not a lot considering nearly everyone in Australia has been vaccinated (87.4%)
Farzanah
To be fair volver many GPs do not understand medical statistics in my experience.
David Spiegelhalter is worth listening to in understanding risk and has podcasts on YouTube. One can be found where he discusses on Ben Yeoh Chats - Covid stats. Thinking about risk in life and Medicine. Covid by Numbers
for those interested nerds like me.
And me, Farzanah, and others who enjoy "more or less" on Radio 4 probably!
Shinamae
MadeInYorkshire
Pfizer have admitted yesterday that they knew the vaccine wouldn't prevent transmission of the virus - how many tens of thousands of social care workers lost their jobs because they 'had to protect their residents'? Lies, lies, lies - how many more are there? Follow the money ....
As a carer ????????????
Thank you Shinamae .... I HOPE that all those who lost their jobs because of this manage to get together and sue the arse off Pfizer - it's something I hope The Good Law Project may take up, but am sure somebody will on behalf of all those carers who lost their careers - disgusting.
Follow the money ....
It isn’t, I believe part of a medical trial to research transmission, I’ve just listened to a Med Cram blog on utube explaining this in detail. I’ll try to do a link. This has all been taken out of contextt.
I can’t do a link. But it’s Dr Roger Seheult ‘Does the Pfizer vaccine reduce transmission’ on utube.
If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.
MadeInYorkshire
Shinamae
MadeInYorkshire
Pfizer have admitted yesterday that they knew the vaccine wouldn't prevent transmission of the virus - how many tens of thousands of social care workers lost their jobs because they 'had to protect their residents'? Lies, lies, lies - how many more are there? Follow the money ....
As a carer ????????????
Thank you Shinamae .... I HOPE that all those who lost their jobs because of this manage to get together and sue the arse off Pfizer - it's something I hope The Good Law Project may take up, but am sure somebody will on behalf of all those carers who lost their careers - disgusting.
Follow the money ....
How many lost their jobs?
I don't think Pfizer ever claimed that vaccination reduced transmission.
M0nica
If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.
How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? An asinine argument.
The main point though, is that all the world leaders categorically stated that it did stop transmission. That was a deliberate lie wasn't it? They have also instigated vaccinating children, who are not at risk from this virus, based entirely on the premise of stopping transmission.
growstuff
I don't think Pfizer ever claimed that vaccination reduced transmission.
That is true growstuff but I didn't see or hear them correcting the leaders and health officials who made the claim that it did . I wonder why not?
Normandygirl
M0nica
If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.
How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? An asinine argument.
The main point though, is that all the world leaders categorically stated that it did stop transmission. That was a deliberate lie wasn't it? They have also instigated vaccinating children, who are not at risk from this virus, based entirely on the premise of stopping transmission.
Did they really claim that? I'm fairly sure that Pfizer didn't. I always knew that it didn't, but there was so much misinformation floating about. People read what they wanted to read.
Normandygirl
growstuff
I don't think Pfizer ever claimed that vaccination reduced transmission.
That is true growstuff but I didn't see or hear them correcting the leaders and health officials who made the claim that it did . I wonder why not?
Did leaders and health officials really make those claims?
Normandygirl
M0nica
If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.
How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? An asinine argument.
The main point though, is that all the world leaders categorically stated that it did stop transmission. That was a deliberate lie wasn't it? They have also instigated vaccinating children, who are not at risk from this virus, based entirely on the premise of stopping transmission.
That's rubbish. Sorry, but with that kind of claim, it's no wonder that there was so much hysteria and misunderstanding. Incidentally, children were and still are at risk from the virus.
Both DGC have had COVID. One of them has had it twice. In her early teens DGD lost innumerable weeks of schooling when other children in her class had COVID and the whole class were put in quarantine.
Normanygirl Do the maths. One vaccinated person with COVID for 3 days has less time to spread the disease than one unvaccinated person who has COVID for 10 days. If each infects one person a day, one person infects three people the other infects ten. So the person who has been vaccinated transmits the disease to 7 fewer people, and that is a reduction in transmission as a result of the vaccination.
And, by the way how can a question (How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? ) be an argument, assinine or not?
Here you are:
www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298
Although the main aim of vaccinations was to reduce severity and death, there is some evidence that they reduce transmission.
Sadly you can post evidence based facts as often as you want but some people are so entrenched in their views that they won’t be moved.
Farzanah
Sadly you can post evidence based facts as often as you want but some people are so entrenched in their views that they won’t be moved.
Unfortunately, that's true, but hopefully other people won't be dragged into the murky world of myths.
I lost my husband to Hospital acquired Covid-19 on 1st February 2021. Ten days later I had the text for the vaccine. It was very upsetting that had he managed to stay healthy for one more month (or maybe 4 - 2nd dose) he might never have died at all. I have had all mine now, last one was last Saturday. I had more of a horrid reaction to my pneumonia and shingles vaccines.
MaggsMcG
I lost my husband to Hospital acquired Covid-19 on 1st February 2021. Ten days later I had the text for the vaccine. It was very upsetting that had he managed to stay healthy for one more month (or maybe 4 - 2nd dose) he might never have died at all. I have had all mine now, last one was last Saturday. I had more of a horrid reaction to my pneumonia and shingles vaccines.
I'm so sorry. 
As DH says, on other occasions 'He/she has made up their mind, do not confuse them with facts.'
? MOnica
Well well well who fact checks the fact checkers in the daily mail online dr aseem malhotra was in a meeting with the parliament saying these covid vaccines need to be suspended as they are not safe and also helping the many people who are vaccine injured and the poor soul's who lost loved ones i am not an anti vaccers had 3 covid and flu going for shingles on Monday but i will never have another booster and well done dr john and dr aseem malhotra for all your research
Read the article, rather than The Mail Lilikmaho unsubstantiated.
healthfeedback.org/claimreview/article-by-cardiologist-aseem-malhotra-made-unsupported-claims-about-benefits-risks-covid-19-vaccination/
And read peer-reviewed scientific journals!
There were serious flaws in Aseem Malhotra's methods, which were picked up by many other scientists and statisticians.
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