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Tararh Sun 03-Aug-25 22:20:42

I'm trying to help my parents. In very hard situation. Not a good relationship to start with. Dad has vascular dementia. Fairly early stage but life limiting. Mum is his primary carer. I live France they are in south of England . Over for the summer to stay . Mum has joined a support group but really isn't coping. She yells at him when he isn't remembering things. Just attacks him and belittles him. I tsbhorrible to witness. She's dealing with a lot and it's really hard for her. But it's really hard to watch. He feels attacked and withdraws from her. The bad feeling grows. She thinks he's doing it on purpose. But he's not.i just let it go when he gets things wrong. Don't see the point in correcting him (unless it something important like bank details ). She's clearly not coping and needs help. But if I say anything she just thinks that she's being ganged up on or we are taking his 'side' . It's not about sides I just think she's going to drive herself mad expecting him to get better. Or expecting him to understand his condition. He's largely unaware of his condition. Which I beleive is normal. I just don't know what to do

She wants me to 'tell him' he's wrong and back her up when she goes at him. But I don't want to do that as I don't think it helps. I don't mind repeating myself . But I also want to show her that I am aware what she's going through is very tough. I don't want her to feel ganged up on. What to do?

kittylester Mon 04-Aug-25 13:46:28

Tararh

Thanks for all the messages. She says he isn't willing to 'adapt' but I don't think he's actually capable of this. This is baggage from other situations where he has been less than perfect. It's so tense. I just need to tow the line between them. I think she thinks that I am not confronting his issues and I should be hammering home how hard this is on her to him. But the truth is there is no point. He can't process this or remember.

You seem to have a good understanding of the situation.

There is a saying that we try to drill home on our Carer's Courses which 'Connect not Correct'.

But also remember that your mum is only human. Have they applied for Attendance Allowance? Making her life easier in other areas might help her to cope with your father.

kittylester Mon 04-Aug-25 13:47:39

butterandjam, the OP's father is not insane.

Claremont Mon 04-Aug-25 13:48:01

'TBH, though, when it’s just getting too much for a carer - getting so stressed and exhausted with it all - it’s maybe time to think of a care home. '

I was just about to write the same thing. This is tough, very- my heart goes out to you all. We have had several very similar situations in our close family.

readsalot Mon 04-Aug-25 14:42:03

Not everyone is cut out to be a carer. If this health issue is after a less than perfect marriage then maybe your mother isn’t in a position to cope. No blame, but I would consider a care home for both their sakes. I hope you find a solution that works for everyone.

BlueBelle Mon 04-Aug-25 14:46:28

Having dementia does not equate to insanity Butterjam

Please get help for your mum she’s not managing and it will not only harm her but your dad too they need professional intervention

butterandjam Mon 04-Aug-25 16:06:59

kittylester

*butterandjam*, the OP's father is not insane.

These days, we never call any mind problems "insanity ".

We'd rather sanitise the symptoms of dementia as "anxiety, depression, withdrawal, memory loss, disinhibition, irrational fears " and hope the neighbours can't hear what's really going on when sundown syndrome kicks in.

Shelflife Mon 04-Aug-25 16:27:02

Pably15 is correct. There is no point in arguing , been there done that! It has left me distraught and emotionally drained and takes me an age to recover. My DH of course has completely forgotten about it! He is OK and I am shattered.
The best solution is to agree , I find myself saying " of course you are correct, its me that has made a mistake " it is not easy to do but far better for my mental health! I have finally realised that even when he seems ok - he's not!.
Physically he is a fit man and I am thankful for that. We are a long way from needing a care home, Alzheimers is a progressive disease and I am under no illusion as to what the future holds. However, if caring becomes detrimental to my health I am prepared to give the idea of a nursing home serious consideration. It has crossed my mind that I should start looking now rather than when I reach crisis point. We have been married 51 years and my heart aches for my husband. Dementia is taking a tiny part of him away each day
and it scares me. So Tararh I understand your Mums fear. I recognise how hard this must be as you live in France and hope you have a sibling or friend who can support you. Dementia affects the whole family it's progression is relentless. I do appreciate the good
days, something as simple as going out for an ice cream or a garden centre visit is beneficial. Overseas holidays are now out of the question! I am sad and my DHs life is shrinking - unfortunately so is mine. I live in fear of being ill / in hospital . We are so fortunate in having
' children ' who are not too far away , but I try not to be needy!
Good luck on this lonely journey.

kittylester Mon 04-Aug-25 17:12:07

We'd rather sanitise the symptoms of dementia as "anxiety, depression, withdrawal, memory loss, disinhibition, irrational fears " and hope the neighbours can't hear what's really going on when sundown syndrome kicks in.

Regardless of that, dementia is not a form of insanity. Most dementias have physical causes - not mental.

Tararh Tue 05-Aug-25 11:51:07

Funnily, I think it will be better at a later stage as she won't have to care for him. He is still early stage and capable of pottering about going for walks etc. He is still physically active and to look at looks fine.

It's almost too early for help in a way as he isn't far gone enough.

Caleo Tue 05-Aug-25 12:04:50

Tararh, I was wondering if your mother especially fears that her husband is not able to look after his own fianances. This must be worrying if the have share bank accounts and passwords.

Is your mother capable of holding a power of attorney? Can you advise him to apply for power of attorney to be held on his behalf by a trustworthy person?

Since the poor man may no longer trust her perhaps the power should be held by a lawyer, or by yourself?

HelterSkelter1 Tue 05-Aug-25 16:02:51

Oh yes. Do get him to have you and your mum as both finance and health and wellbeing attornies while he is still of sound mind. If that is the case.
And you for your mum as well. My daughter and I were shocked at how little say in my DHs hospital treatment we had as we did not hold POA

Madgran77 Tue 05-Aug-25 17:21:07

Tararh

Thanks for all the messages. She says he isn't willing to 'adapt' but I don't think he's actually capable of this. This is baggage from other situations where he has been less than perfect. It's so tense. I just need to tow the line between them. I think she thinks that I am not confronting his issues and I should be hammering home how hard this is on her to him. But the truth is there is no point. He can't process this or remember.

She clearly does not understand the nature of dementia. She needs direct advice and support from Alzheimers.co.uk or other dementia websites. She urgently needs to learn about dementia and how to manage someone with dementia. She also needs support for her own shock and fear in order to accept that she cannot expect what she used to be able to expect from him plus planning her own life alongside her care of him. 💐

Madgran77 Tue 05-Aug-25 17:23:48

Tararh

Funnily, I think it will be better at a later stage as she won't have to care for him. He is still early stage and capable of pottering about going for walks etc. He is still physically active and to look at looks fine.

It's almost too early for help in a way as he isn't far gone enough.

It's not to early for advice. She needs help and advice to understand what she is dealing with and she needs support to be open to the advice as well

kittylester Tue 05-Aug-25 17:34:59

The earlier a Carer gets help with their caring role and an insight into how to help a person with dementia, the better.

Lots of places run Carer's courses specific to dementia and participants meet othe people in a similar situation which is a huge help.

Witzend's suggestion of Talking Point is brilliant if she is ok with IT. And you might find it useful too, Tarath. It's good talk to others who might understand.

Lathyrus3 Tue 05-Aug-25 18:00:06

The help is not for him at this stage Tara, but for her. Yes she needs advice and the support of her group. But also she needs help put in place to give her a break so that she can have time to herself, to meet with friends without worrying, to enjoy the things she has always enjoyed with feeling guilty or responsible.

This means that she needs other to take on the responsibility of ensuring your father is safe and content.

This may be family or a paid companion to sit or walk with him, or organised sessions for your father to attend. They need to happen now to meet her needs.

It’s all to easy for the ill persons needs to be constantly assessed and the carers needs to judged by that - as in he’s not too bad at the moment.

Claremont Tue 05-Aug-25 21:04:45

This is so hard. And confirms my decision, in case this happens to me.

Liz46 Tue 05-Aug-25 21:32:53

We moved to be very close to my mother when she had dementia. I remember going round to see her for the fourth time in one day and a neighbour of hers said that my mum had come out looking for me as she hadn't seen me for so long. When it came to me crying uncontrollably, my OH said it was either my mum or him. He had had enough. He had been very good, taking her dinner round to her every evening. She thought he was wonderful as he brought her all that food!
We looked round homes and she tried one out for a day and it seemed to be good. After a while she decided that she wanted to go home. She did not know that it had been sold to pay for her care.