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Wyllow3 Thu 01-Jan-26 15:19:00

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*Welcome to Black Dogs 28*:

Its supporting those of us who wish to talk about our mental health problems quite deeply at times: and share aspects of our lives supportively, give and take support.

All are welcome: don't be put off by some of us being there long term, people do come and go.

HowVeryDareYou2 Sat 07-Feb-26 16:08:34

Wyllow3 DH's car has been on the drive for 2 years. All the nagging about anything doesn't bother him. He'll only do things when HE wants to. I will try to get a referral as I get sinus tracks (tunnels under the skin) Glad the Safeguarding people were so helpful and understanding. Those paintings are great. That's funny about the gnomes! It's grey and miserable here, too. I forced myself to shower, dress, and do some housework.
EllieAnne That's brilliant. You must be very proud.

Hope everyone is having a relaxing day. x

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Feb-26 18:24:02

EllieAnne You must be so pleased with your DHDs achievement of bronze in the competition and it was all on a higher level- shes doing really good. Ive got a thing about ice- skating and have been watching the Olympics figure skating- love the ice-skating free dance pairs. Your DGD is a trooper and must have had lots of bruises - you must watch through your fingers.
Wyllow Trifle trebuchet to all BDs on the way!
Im so glad about today and the safeguarding people. Your fear of seeing Mr A in a Quaker meeting is very u
understandable

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Feb-26 18:31:07

Sorry- touched the 'post' by mistake
Wyllow very understandable and your panic attack shows just how much this has all affected you. Sounds like things are really underway to a good result for you. The art pieces were lovely and the colours gorgeous.
Scardycat Thankyou, yes I was extremely tired yesterday. We went for a coffee and parked the car a little further away than usual so we'd need to walk a small way. DH did well and hes had no angina attacks yesterday or today. He was having about 3 a day before and even at night. The dark, wet days are the pits aren't they. Think its getting to us all.

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Feb-26 18:40:22

HVDY I hope you can get a referral quickly to the Dermatologist. The abscess must be so painful and its right in a place where it will get .movement.
The weather is so gloomy isnt it. When are we getting some brighter weather. The roads and field here are so water logged. Glad you managed to persuade DH about getting rid of the car. Mine hangs onto all sorts of smaller stuff and has so many tools ,like multiple screwdrivers and goodness knows what but he has reminded me of how .uch wool has taken up space in spare bedroom.
Doodle * Nadateturbe* Hope your day hasn't been too bad .
Love to all.

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Feb-26 18:46:11

Doodle My DH likes doing portraits and has used pastels in the past though he says you can get softer ones. DH took quite a while to try watercolours - I think everyone must have their own preferences. Hope youve enjoyed your time with family today and have had a nice birthday lunch.

Doodle Sat 07-Feb-26 19:40:50

Evening all. Sorry short post tonight I have just got in and it’s late.
Had a lovely lunch. DGDs 20th. Very tired now.
Ellie Anne your hair sounds nice glad you’re pleased with it. Well done your DGd you must be so proud she’s doing so well.
Wyllow you deserve a medal for stamina and commitment. Good to hear the meeting went well and hopefully they will enforce on Mr A hat he is expected to do.
HVDy so sorry about your abscess. I can only imagine how painful it is. Hope you get a referral soon.
Sweetpeasue that is good your Dh was able to walk a little further and hasn’t had an angina attack. Hope things are looking up,
Scaredycat glad you were able to get out between the showers. I’d love to do pen and ink drawings but I’m afraid my drawing skills aren’t very good . I’m practicing but have no natural talent so it’s a long road.
Take care nadateturbe
I’m off to read up about the gnomes.

Wyllow3 Sat 07-Feb-26 22:49:02

I slept most of the afternoon and pottered after, gone back to sorting my art stuff out - deciding what to keep, and shedding stuff, and putting lots of stuff that I just painted abstract into categories as in retrospect I can see themes that return and return over time. But I really have to get going on things in the present. I avoid it, the sense of so much time gone since I was full on art work is a heavy history, the way it just all went for years and years, and I only did stuff in MH wards or groups.

DH sounds somewhat intransigent on matters like cars HVDY but what about indoors hoarding stuff? I really think seeing the dermatologist is a good idea with these repeating problems.

Yes these days are the pits, Sweetpeasue -literally day after day. My sis in Exmoor is having sun some days on and off! You’ve a point there about tools versus wool collections… I am in a “shedding” mood. I hope that DH gets back into art work in time, how have things been?

I’d like to get out into the High Peak and have a look at the rivers and fields but there’s fog as well. Maybe settle for a dull day but rain and fog free. Tomorrow the forecast has some "sunny intervals" advertised but not counting on it.

I’m glad you had a lovely meal with your family, Doodle, but longish chunks of time with family are tiring.

Thinking of you nadateturbe stuck in bed with a rainy view.

HowVeryDareYou2 Sun 08-Feb-26 09:27:30

SweetpeaSue Good to hear that your husband hasn't had any Angina attacks recently. It sounds as though the stents are working well.
Doodle Glad you had a nice time with the family.
Wyllow3 My husband doesn't hard stuff at home - his sister is, though, and says she's got "stuff" waist high in her living room, and shoulder high upstairs! Nobody has been in her house for 1 1years (she won't let anyone in), ot even her family. Hope the weather brightens up enough for you to get out today.

This abscess has gone down a little - the cream must be working. Son1 and his family might call in later, he said. Hope everyone has a decent day x

HowVeryDareYou2 Sun 08-Feb-26 09:27:58

Wyllow3 He doesn't hoard

Scaredycat Sun 08-Feb-26 12:09:11

Hi all
Today is DD Birthday so we are all out in a while for a Sunday roast together. Will post when we get back .
Love to allxx

Wyllow3 Sun 08-Feb-26 17:03:59

I hope it’s a super time, Scaredycat.

I remember your sis, HVDY my eldest cousin is like that, and had to have MH help in the end. She’s also managed to alienate all her sisters including one who is a warm lovely soul. (Sadly, for me, she lives near Belfast)

I’m glad you are a little bit better, that it’s gone down a bit, does it hurt less? It’s so restrictive for you, so I hope your family have turned up.

I didn’t sleep well again with all the Quaker stuff running round at the back of my brain, but it was a lovely meeting today, it felt more normal and telling all those involved by email yesterday what’s happening and telling them they aren’t involved meant * all* were more relaxed. (Well D the awkward one will fret, but tough!, cos the r was t have Had Enough.

I thought there might be sun and a walk, it no, so went to the gym and did a lighter session but treated myself to a long sauna and post shower pamper, and now I’m sitting in Costa.
It’s frustrating for me, because I eat little bit am gradually gaining weight despite the gym. It’s the tablets, and I truly want to get well enough now to use a minimum.

I’ll never be able to cut out what they call my mood stabiliser, but I am addicted to large amounts (relatively speaking) of diazapam, as when I’ve been an inpatient way back they tended to over prescribe, then I had a v bad patch when they pulled my support for 2 years, so up it went:
But of course if I can withdraw it’s not an essential drug.

I’d love to hear how other BD’s are doing even if it’s a tough day but waving warmly anyway.

There are a few more smiles on the gnome thread

HowVeryDareYou2 Sun 08-Feb-26 17:26:48

ScaredyCat Hope you've been having a lovely family gathering.
Wyllow3 it's my husband's sister who hoards things. Yes, thanks, this thing is less painful today. Another few days of using the cream (antibiotic/steroid/antibacterial) should do it) Son1 and family came....DH and I were driving back from the local Aldi and they were in the car behind! Had a cuppa here then all went to a local pub for a drink and snacks. After the gym, sauna and shower, you deserve to treat yourself at Costa. Hope you'll manage to reduce your meds if you don't particularly need them.

Scaredycat Sun 08-Feb-26 18:02:55

Hi all
EllieAnne- What, an achievement for your DGD especially as she has gone into a higher level. She must work very hard- does her Mum video her?
HVDY- glad your DH only keeps certain things- not like his poor DS. She has a serious problem hasn’t she to be so cut off from her family. It’s a terrible affliction. I,m just the opposite as I believe you are.
Do hope the cream is working well- that really must be so uncomfortable.
SweetPeaSue-So pleased the angina attacks have not plagued DH for the last couple of days. Slowly but surely sounds the way to go. Probably when he started to relax and realise he needed to take it a bit slower it helped him. Hope you are feeling less frazzled now.
Doodle- So pleased the Birthday lunch was a success. 20 yrs old is a lovely age. What does your DGD do or want to do?
I didn’t use pen and ink just ink pens for drawing- they are really nice to use. Doing any kind of Art work is so therapeutic and we all develop our own style. I think you can have painting holidays - perhaps you and your nice friend could consider something like that.
Wyllow- just got back from lunch. Have eaten too much but it was lovely. There were 10 of us so a bit tiring but nothing beats being with those we love.
Ah it’s hard for you to switch off those ‘QuakeryThoughts’ but it does sound like you can now start to enjoy the meetings again. As you say about D - tough.
The Gym is such a good place for you- don’t worry about a bit of extra weight once you get back on your bike or walking in the hills again you,ll be fine. Also don’t fret about the meds - one thing at a time. Just try and enjoy the things you love.
The gnomes thread is priceless - so funny. Say Gnomore!!
Nadateturbe- thinking of you today.

Love to all and wishing you peaceful sleep tonight

EllieAnne Sun 08-Feb-26 18:37:29

Scaredy cat her mum does video it but an official video will come out too.Ive been to church only had one coughing fit and it was near the end.had a short walk a d a cuppa with a neighbour who recently lost her husband.
Dh is having problems with his phone.I tried to help but it is totally different from mine so he tried contacting son 1 who could not help from a distance. His old phone could only text or phone and I wish he’d stuck to that because he s hopeless with technology. I think he will go to the phone shop for help.
Choir starts back this week so I was sorting out music. We’ll do a mixture of new ones and ones we’ve done before.
Had a bit of an upset with a friend this week. She set me a message but the words she used really upset me. I’ve seen her since but there was a slight awkwardness. I expect it will improve with time.

Doodle Sun 08-Feb-26 19:07:24

Scaredycat I hope you enjoyed your Sunday lunch for your DDs birthday. . 10 is quite a lot of you. Lovely to have a get together. DGD is interested in event management. She’s still got a way to go before she decides.
My friend isn’t into painting. She likes craft and jigsaws. I’m sure we’ll find something to do.
HVdY glad the abscess is easier, hopefully the cream is working. Nice you had a meet up with your son.
Ellie Anne I find it’s easy to misunderstand text messages. You can’t see the persons face or voice to see what they really mean. Hope things get back to normal soon. Nice you had a coffee with your friend. I’m sure it was helpful for her to have someone to talk to.
Wyllow good you had a meeting where you felt more comfortable,
Sweetpeasue hope your Dh has had another good day.
I’ve been busy all day but in the last hour or so have become very sad. Just been thinking of DH and wanting to be with him. I keep busy but I never stop thinking of him or missing him. Got friends coming over tomorrow.

Wyllow3 Sun 08-Feb-26 21:29:22

Sometimes thats the trouble with long busy and sociable days Doodle, when you get home alone the contrast hits you? How do you cope these days - having a cry, look at pictures, or doing some distracting?

Its sounds like the difficult text from the friend is a blip, Ellie Anne - I hope so. I'm so glad you could be "there" for your neighbour. Definitely best to let DH go to the shop. sounds like he needs a new one and they can cope and find him the right phone. I'm glad the choir is back. I was thinking it would be good to sing again, but first things first.

Yes, 10 people and a big chatty lunch is tiring, but full of love too. Salad for you tonight.

Sorry, yes, your husbands sis, HVDY. Oooo, I'm glad you felt up to getting out.

Love to absent BD's, never forgotten if not posting, and the many who have been in, in the past.

My living room floor is full of pictures being sorted for photographing and sorting, I can just leave them out now as no visitors till Friday. Meeting sometime this week with F, fave quaker, who has had an operation, blocked out lots of time, but doing much better so bored!

As regards cutting down diazepam HVDY every time you drop 1mg you have to have a period of increased agitation and anxiety, maybe less sleep, so its a matter of doing it slowly when things are more settled, which I believe things will be coming up. I was on 21mg a day last June, borderline vvv dodgy, I've managed to get down to 14 so far. But the usual dose is 2 to 4 mg so that gives you an idea.

HowVeryDareYou2 Sun 08-Feb-26 21:57:51

I typed a long reply to everyone, somehow lost it, so I'll keep it short now -

ScaredyCat Lunch for 10 people. I bet you all chatted a lot. Nice to have those family times. I think DH and I will have to start inviting the family here (been waiting for an invitation to themgrin)
EllieAnne The trouble with texts is that they can be misinterpreted. Could you ask your friend what she meant? Then you'll know for sure whether she was being funny or not. Nice of you to see your other friend. I expect she enjoyed having your company.
Doodle You'll always miss your husband, I'm sure. It's good that you do a lot to keep busy and that you have plenty of friends, though.
Wyllow3 Wow, you are on a high dose. I agree, you'll need to take it slowly and see how you feel.

Going to bed soon. No LG tomorrow - it'll be Wednesday this week, instead (other granny swapped). DH might go out, not sure yet. Hope everyone has a peaceful night x

EllieAnne Sun 08-Feb-26 22:14:25

Hvdy when I told her how it made me feel she said that wasn’t what she meant but she phrased it badly.
I’m letting it go because she’s very stressed and I m probably the friend she confides in most so I will keep visiting.
That is a high dose Wyllow. You will have to be careful cutting down.
Going to bed soon .
Watched lord of the flies tonight because I read the book many years ago. Not sure what I thought of it.

HowVeryDareYou2 Mon 09-Feb-26 08:16:40

EllieAnne Hope you can forget about what she said now. She will hopefully word her texts differently in future, now that you've mentioned it. I read the book when I was at school. I didn't watch the film last night.

It's yet another grey morning, but not raining...yet.

Sweetpeasue Mon 09-Feb-26 19:16:43

* EllieAnne* I wasnt sure if to watch the new adaptation of Lord of the Flies. DH hated the book though its one Ive not read. I didnt like the film of it yrs ago. I hope you're able to let that clumsy message go - I dont think text messages always come over how theyre meant. Is it still wet there in southern Scotland?
HVDY Glad the abscess is a little better and hope it soon goes completely. I see you list your long post yesterday - it leaves me so frustrated when that happens. Im not like my sons when I type- theyre much quicker and can do it with a couple of thumbs! You must have missed LG today though weather is so wet for playing in the park. DH needed the GNT spray again yesterday and today.🙁
Doodle You keep yourself so busy and have made so many friends- but nothing can make up for the absence of your lovely DH. I think * Wyllow* is right and when you come home your quiet empty home its a sharp contrast to you having company around you. It must hurt terribly at times. The grief felt when I lost my mum was so strong and painful so I just cant imagine what it must be like losing your DH. I hope youve had company today too . Sending you a big hug.
Wyllow Glad your Quaker meeting went well the other day. Im sure youll feel more comfortable now youve been and that it all felt more ' normal ' again.
Must be the time for going through 'stuff' and sorting out. My DH has lots of canvasses and doesnt know what to do with them. It must be hard going through your work and having to face what to keep - but also , in the process you will remember how you felt at the time you did them , which is particularly hard if you were in such a bad way. Hope you manage in reducing the Diazapam , youve already done so well at coming down from such a high level.

Sweetpeasue Mon 09-Feb-26 19:31:03

Scaredycat Another family gathering for you and dinner out. It must be quite difficult to get quite a lot of your family together all at once. Hope youve had a good day today.

Ive been concerned and disappointed that DH has had another angina episode yesterday and today. I suppose I thought hed be back to 'normal' and be like he was before the angina started. Consultant told him hed always need to carry the angina spray and I dont know what to think. Then, a surprise call from heart nurse ( right on queue) for DH. Shed said if he doesnt feel better in a few more weeks to see GP though she also reassured DH that many patients get the odd pain during first week ago and it could be stents settling in. Wish I could have talked with her though as DH seemed to be playing things down somewhat.
Ive knit some baby hats and an adult hat ( DH made me laugh by trying on the adult hat- it was for a female)
Still need to get a car as DHs MOT runs out end of month. Its just been to rainy to look around. On journey to a garage yesterday( being a dry day) and got stuck in a traffic jam for nearly an hr so as soon as we got out of it DH just needed to head back home.

Love to all and thinking of Nadateturbe and sending love

Doodle Mon 09-Feb-26 21:03:15

Wyllow I have tried to think of DH as always being with me so that when I go out he is with me and when I come home I say we’re home. I think liking in a flat is easier than living alone in a house. Not sure how I’d cope with that. Despite that when I came in from being with others I would often cry putting my key in the door. It’d have been holding the tears in whilst with others and couldn’t wait to get home and let it all out. I cried every day, sometimes all day. Over time I have found that I can still feel sad but not cry so much. It’s like a state of being. Always lonely, always longing, always missing. I am just counting down the days till I can be with my beloved again. I plod on and do the best I can to be interested in things and in other people. I am lucky to have good friends but nothing comes close to being with Dh.
You are doing well cutting down on your meds. I agree very slowly is best. I have cut down from 100 mg to 50 mg but taken a year to do it. I will stay on 50 for about 6 months then cut again. Just want to make sure I’m stable.
HVDY how’s your abscess? I can remember when a young child that my brother had a bad boil on his leg. My mother used to put a poultice on it and then wrap it up in some sort of green waxed paper stuff. I’ll have to look it up. I’ve often wondered what it was. Hope the pain is easing.
Scaredycat there were 7 of us for lunch on Saturday and that was a noisy conversation. 10 is a lot. Did you swap places during the meal so that you could all get a chance to talk to each other? That’s what we do. Lovely for families to meet up.
Sweetpeasue I wonder if you could phone the heart nurse and ask her some questions. Unless your Dh gives permission she cannot discuss him with you but she could answer some general questions and maybe reassure you. How is the pain in your DH’s arm now? Hope you’re both sleeping a bit better,
Ellie Anne your friend obviously didn’t mean to upset you nor did she mean what she said in the way you took it. You’ve been a good friend. I would let it drop now and hope things can get back to as they were,

HowVeryDareYou2 Mon 09-Feb-26 21:51:33

SweetpeaSue The abscess has almost gone - it all remained under the skin, if that makes sense. I think the lumpiness that's there is due to scarring under the skin. It isn't painful today, thankfully (I knew the ointment would sort it out for the time being). I'm sorry your husband has had to use the spray, but it's encouraging that the cardiac nurse said what she did. Hope it all settles down. It is early days yet. Hope your DH gets sorted out with a car soon.

Doodle Much better, thanks. It's Hidradenitis Suppurativa, something I've had for many years now. Boils are a bit different. It's so sad to think of you "counting down the days until you can be with him again". I think my MIL was like that - she and my FIL did everything together, never went anywhere without each other. That must make life very difficult when one is left alone.

Couldn't be bothered to go out today - vacuumed the bedrooms, sorted out some clothes that now fit me, after losing 2 1/2 stone. I hope to lose another 2st by the time we go on holiday (May 11th).

Wyllow3 Mon 09-Feb-26 22:53:03

Arriving in late as it was the last evening of my Zoom Feminist Theology course and I spent a chunk of the day preparing for it as well as having to do some practical stuff as regards damp on the wall (where I’d paid a lot of have the chimney above to stop it - and future booking some repair work that involves scaffolding on the house but only on the back in March/April.

Oh! So frustrating to lose a post, HVDY. I expect you are looking forward to seeing LG. It takes one into a different world, seen through toddler eyes, especially if they are secure and happy ones. I’m so glad that the abcess is shrinking. You are doing well weightwise! Good things o aim for there.And a good job on house things today.

I think you were brave to be honest to a friend like that, EllieAnne, but also that it’s necessary to set boundaries so’s not to be used when the person is needy and struggling.

I found Lord of the Flies difficult to read and brave to watch! I’m glad you are in Sweetpeasue as I’ve been wondering how life has been. I so hope that DH can get better enough to do some art again. My solution as to the “what to do with” the past work is to take good photographs of them all, and only keep the ones that have special resonance. That way, you never “lose” the image. He could print them out and put in A4 folders.
But it has to be the right time to go through stuff

The trouble is, it probably one of the hardest things in life to accept and know that life will never be what is was like before, that one will never do x and y.

Some people seem to be able to live with that easier than others, but I am like DH, fighting the acceptance, it’s taken so long. Fighting it can lead to what I’ve also done - rejecting life itself instead of just doing anything meaningful and useful in the now
The more clarity he can get on the future will help, I hope you both can keep talking to the nurse, she seems spot on.

Certainly you need that new car. The weather is horrible and a real downer all round.

But how are you?

What you describe, Doodle, is what I had imagined, except, not had to feel so appallingly sharply and in such depth. Yes, that moment when you put the key in the door: and know what awaits you emotionally the other side” yes the times when you just want to be re-united. I imagine you are cutting down on anti’d’s and yes cutting down may help with some things, the side effects but think carefully about cutting down too far, you are vulnerable x

Ginormas lesson today, and learnt….. sort of on my own.
Last night was probably the worst in terms of waking depressive thoughts I can recall for a long time. Yes, I do get afraid of going to bed as it happens so much.

So of course, am asking myself - why - just when things are improving and a major event happened with Safeguarding - is it apparently getting worse? I was waiting for 9am when MH lines open up, and wondering (I was terribly exhausted) whether I should go to the little art group and not going was pulling out of yet more stuff….)

So I actually googled, “how can sleepless depressive nights get worse when long term stress has actually mostly ended

And this was the answer, and it made so much sense, and I realised it makes sense not just for Mental Health or Assault stuff, *but for any of us who have undergone a period of constant and prolonged distress but cannot find a let up in anxiety and other symptoms.

“It is very common for sleep to remain severely disrupted even after a major, long-term stressor has been removed. This is often described as the "let-down effect," where your body, having been in a high-alert "fight or flight" mode for months or years, cannot instantly switch to relaxation when the danger passes”

Here is why you are likely still waking up, based on the physiology of chronic stress

*Residual Hyperarousal (The "Let-Down" Effect): When you are under long-term strain, your body produces high levels of cortisol and adrenaline. When the stressor is removed, it takes time for your system to recalibrate. Going from 100 mph to 0 immediately is a shock to your system, leaving you in a state of hypervigilance even while trying to sleep.

*Conditioned "Fear of Sleeping": Over time, your brain has learned to associate your bed and nighttime with stress, fear, and waking up. Your body now wakes up automatically, out of habit, expecting to be stressed.”

That makes so much sense, it’s a physical response. And when I had a sleep this afternoon, same thing on waking.

I did write to my psychologist as I want her to monitor me closely. (She gave me a brief similar explanation, but the google one is more helpful, more insightful)

Sweetpeasue Mon 09-Feb-26 23:01:23

HVDY Its really wonderful how you have managed to lose so much weight. All credit to yourself by denying yourself extra calories by sheer willpower. You have done amazingly well and I dont have so much to lose , yet it still feels so difficult for me. You are totally committed to getting to your goal and I hope you get there but its a lot of weight to lose. However , youve done so well so Ive no doubt you can stay on track. Just want you to know , Im so impressed with your achievement. Xx

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