Do you think you know when you are going to die?

Fancyflowers wrote I believe this is true, I have seen loved ones lift up their arms on the point of death, as if they were being welcomed across

It’s a common reaction by muscles in the body to the oxygen loss when the heart and breathing slowing down and stop, nothing to do with seeing people waiting for them.

That is how I feel at 79.

SueDonim

Fancyflowers wrote I believe this is true, I have seen loved ones lift up their arms on the point of death, as if they were being welcomed across

It’s a common reaction by muscles in the body to the oxygen loss when the heart and breathing slowing down and stop, nothing to do with seeing people waiting for them.

And where do you get this muscle reaction theory from? A source? An article? Or your own imagination? A common reaction to lack of oxygen? What if their oxygen saturation is fine, then what? How about when they are on a breathing ventilator with no slowness of breathing? Your view does not seem any more scientific than others' comments and speculation about the "other side".

Also, why do their arms reach up to the ceiling and not the muscles in their legs due to this oxygen loss?

Where oh where did this idea get put into your mind? Oxygen experience? I am baffled.🤔

My dd is an experienced medic who has worked in palliative care. It’s what she learnt over six years of med school. I imagine she’s seen more deaths than most people have.

It’s called myoclonic jerks, btw.

I think myoclonic jerks are different and not just a moment of death thing. I could be wrong but somewhere in the distant past I read something about a Lazarus reflex or Lazarus movement or similar...

SueDonim, no offence to your dd remembering what the professors had her memorise in school and you must be very proud of the important deed she does assisting others in times of severe illness but NotSpaghetti is correct that myoclonic jerks are not the same as becoming alert, happy expression and reaching up slowly towards the ceiling towards an invisible (to us) person immediately before death.

Myoclonic jerks are more like involuntary twitches (electrical-brain short-circuit-like) and very common before death and sometimes just a part of life. I have one myoclinic jerk every night before I fall asleep which only began after my stroke.

If you or your dd would research NDE (near death experiences) it may expand your curiosity about this. It is not the same as a Lazarus reflex which is an uncommon movement that occurs after a patient is brain dead and is possibly related to a spinal cord reflex. The Lazurus reflex occurs after someone has died, not before they die.

I was afraid your post may have caused gloom for those of us who have experienced our loved ones speaking to relatives and reaching up to them as their consciousness left their physical body, which is a comfort to those of us left behind.

...and especially to the kind post by FancyFlowers

Yes, I believe our energy continues and I dont mind that others do not.

My husband died in March this year, five days before he died he told me he had seen people around his bed, we had been married for just over fifty four years and never had he said anything like this before. I wish now I had not dismissed it as just a dream and talked to him more in depth at what he had seen. I found him dead
in his bed, he did have some health issues but the end was so sudden and unexpected, anyway it gives me some comfort who knows none of us do

My husband also had visitors but it was weeks before he died. I just thought it was his brain malfunctioning. I wish I was more aware.

He would have long conversations with them. One time I asked for more details - what was he wearing? Did he have shoes on? What color was his hair? Every detail my DH answered and one thing I just remembered right now is that he was so surprised that the person knew everything about him since he was a little child. I assumed he was talking to a version of himself but now I am wonderimg if that was his grandfather visiting.

Thank you for your rather patronising post, Macaydia. As you suggest, I have looked at NDE’s. It very much suggests to me that they are indeed caused by bodily processes, such as hypoxia, hypotension and neurotransmitter dysregulation as death approaches. It also revealed that people also experience terrifying NDEs but these are much less spoken of due to the stigma.

I cannot see how I can have caused gloom to anyone - surely they must have faith in their belief about NDE even if my own opinion is different.

In my opinion, the symptoms of hypotension, hypoxia and neurotransmitter disregulation seem to be sadness, dizziness, nausea, fatigue and mild confusion.

When I look at symptoms of NDE, it always describes floating above your body, travelling theough a tunnel, seeung a bright light and feelung love and peace.

Im not there yet but I am curious.

I will try not to speak in a patronising manner. I apologise to you. Over emotional these days - sorry SueDonim. Your opinions are as correct as mine and most otbers.

Keep your faith fancyflowers

Macaydia

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