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Social Workers are still up to their old tricks.

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HUNTERF Sat 16-Feb-13 11:51:41

Just had a conversation with a lady who is a joint owner occupier of a house with her mother and her mother has got to go in to care.
The Social Worker said to her as it is 4 bedroom detached it will have to be sold and the proceeds divided.
She knew this was not correct and has told the Social Worker to take a running jump and demanded NHS funding and threatened legal action if she did not get it.
A day later another review was done and NHS funding has been agreed.

Frank

whenim64 Mon 18-Feb-13 10:34:56

Yes, agree with your last post Frank. No-one would want that to happen. It's the assumptions that social workers are always 'at it' and that the ones who have made these errors are qualified, bona fide (geddit - latin?) social workers, which is unlikely, as has been explained. We are making light of the assumptions, rather than giving you a good kickin' grin

Nelliemoser Mon 18-Feb-13 10:34:16

Anno That is roughly what I thought. I know mortis as death. Timor is like timid. Conturbat perhaps like consternation.
I am sure my translation methods are very hit and miss and could lead to some very classy errors but I can probably get the general gist.
Gardening and choral singing have their uses.! wink

absent Mon 18-Feb-13 10:20:05

Whatever Gransnetters are laughing at – and some are clearly having a very merry time – it isn't people being forced to sell their houses as a result of incorrect advice by a social worker. Are you like me, HUNTERF, and have no sense of humour?

HUNTERF Mon 18-Feb-13 10:13:42

It appears some of you may find it amusing that somebody could sell their house as a result of incorrect advice by a social worker but I do not think you would be pleased if you were the victim.
I know these are cases where the offspring have been left on their own in large houses but at the end of the day there is no law saying a person can not live in a large house on their own.

The amount of expenses to re buy a house could easily run to £40,000 plus taking into account stamp duty, estate agents fees and replacing furniture which is not suitable for the new house etc.
I think the person would have to be compensated but I am sure the council tax payers will not be pleased to see their money being used like this.
Also if compensation for this incorrect advice is having to come out of the Social Service budgets there will be even less to spend on the neglected elderly and children which have been thrown out etc.

Frank

whenim64 Mon 18-Feb-13 09:40:35

Well, the latin might be keeping Frank quiet, but I don't know what most of these phrases mean, either. Like nelliemoser I can do plant names, plus a few familiar phrases, but don't get the gist of these posts. smile

annodomini Mon 18-Feb-13 09:40:04

We've been through this before. It's a quote from William Dunbar's poem, Lament for the Makkars. Timor mortis conturbat me, as you say, orca. The fear of death disturbs me.

Nelliemoser Mon 18-Feb-13 09:36:07

Err!??? translations anyone? I could have a stab at rough meanings of some of those words.
?Something about being afraid of doctors, and being afraid of death?
The only latin I know are plant names and stuff I have picked up since joining a choral society. The latter being quite full of hellfire and damnation. Flammus acribus etc.

Galen Mon 18-Feb-13 08:46:39

Correct!

MiceElf Mon 18-Feb-13 08:04:28

Sic

Orca Mon 18-Feb-13 08:01:11

Sorry to be pedantic but shouldn't that be "Timor mortis conturbat me"?

absent Mon 18-Feb-13 07:09:13

grin

MiceElf Mon 18-Feb-13 06:15:02

Sed nos non solet timere doctores.

annodomini Sun 17-Feb-13 23:24:30

Doc Latin...grin

Ella46 Sun 17-Feb-13 23:21:29

Flippin 'eck! What next?

Galen Sun 17-Feb-13 23:13:15

Timor mortuis conturbit me!
Non habeat Timor socialalis operanti!
[luna]moon

HUNTERF Sun 17-Feb-13 22:38:00

Nelliemoser

In the cases I have witnessed the Social Worker or Care Assessors have said the jointly owned houses would have to be sold and the proceeds divided and have said their cases do not qualify for NHS funding when they did.
If these people had sold their houses and found out later they were given incorrect advice I think the council could face an expensive claim for costs to re buy equivalent houses and these costs would fall on Council Tax Payers.
Most of these people own houses which are £500,000 plus so the costs would be substantial ( stamp duty etc ).

Frank

Nelliemoser Sun 17-Feb-13 22:16:15

Frank! A social worker cannot make decisions about NHS continuing care. It is a health service decision based on medical criteria.

What tricks are you saying they are up to? Given the state of local authority care budgets they are only too keen to get them funded by the NHS.

janeA This former one just has!

nightowl is correct there are few qualified SWs in adult services now. Many were made redundant 3 or so years ago and replaced in my area with "care assessors" Most of them are virtually unqualified call centre box tickers!

Frank! just get a life! The comment I really feel like posting would be deleted.

gracesmum Sun 17-Feb-13 10:21:06

OK jane - a bit slow of the uptake last night. Sorry!

Ella46 Sun 17-Feb-13 09:37:34

Moror hotis airis

MiceElf Sun 17-Feb-13 09:19:20

Probably incurable, but Galen would know.

MiceElf Sun 17-Feb-13 09:17:57

Timor socialis operantur.

HUNTERF Sun 17-Feb-13 09:16:05

Well whenim64

I am off to spend some money today on myself and my granddaughters. I think it could be as much as £100.

Probably Social Workers may say I should keep this money in case I need care.

A small amount of my pension comes from Birmingham City Council so I will probably use that money but the larger part comes from a bank pension fund.

Frank

whenim64 Sun 17-Feb-13 09:00:30

Now I'm certain your life's mission is to wind us up, Frank! How have you given yourself permission to make judgements about what any person spends their earned income on, or how they use their leisure time?

Don't answer if it means more anecdotes about inherited property or someone else you happen to know about #whydoIbother

Galen Sun 17-Feb-13 08:56:32

Is there a technical term for a fear of social workers?

bluebell Sun 17-Feb-13 08:39:29

Well Frank, a lovely start to Sunday morning - thank you!