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Where has Prince Andrew gone?

(89 Posts)
NotTooOld Sun 04-Jan-15 22:47:36

I didn't know where else to put this but have you noticed that our thread on Prince Andrew has been removed by GNHQ 'for legal reasons'?

glassortwo Sun 04-Jan-15 22:52:35

shock

Lona Sun 04-Jan-15 22:55:39

Blimey! shock

whenim64 Sun 04-Jan-15 22:56:29

Big Brother?

Tegan Sun 04-Jan-15 22:59:25

That's strange. I'm on another forum where there has been a thread running for ages about cover ups[including this latest one] and no one has pulled that one. I think we need an explanation.

merlotgran Sun 04-Jan-15 23:02:18

There was a message from GNHQ saying they were deleting the thread for legal reasons.

whenim64 Sun 04-Jan-15 23:02:20

Similar happening on Mumsnet

Nelliemoser Sun 04-Jan-15 23:23:22

I think in the circumstances that is wise. Uninformed speculation can get out of hand and things might be said in jest or whatever. This is an open Forum.

Specific allegations have been made and these might well need to be properly challenged under normal court rules. This could mean that idle gossip could influence jurors wrongly in either direction.

What ever happened to rules about subjudicy? Some British legal cases have been dropped or seriously delayed at great costs because jurors are ignoring theses rules.

This link explains this further . Any person ignoring such rules could be in prosecuted for contempt of court which is a very serious offence.

www.out-law.com/page-9742

whenim64 Sun 04-Jan-15 23:42:21

Your link covers UK law, Nellie. Is there a prosecution pending here? I thought this latest news was in relation to proceedings in the US.

absent Mon 05-Jan-15 01:07:21

Sub judice doesn't apply unless someone has been arrested and charged, but libel applies at any time. GNHQ is just wisely protecting its collective butt.

Ceesnan Mon 05-Jan-15 08:23:03

www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=9374338 makes interesting reading.

petallus Mon 05-Jan-15 08:27:13

We have been allowed to speculate to our hearts' content in recent sexual abuse cases involving minor celebrities.

What about 'legal reasons' then?

petallus Mon 05-Jan-15 08:28:25

I read that legal proceedings are being taken by the Palace against Sunday newspapers who ran the story yesterday.

soontobe Mon 05-Jan-15 08:39:06

Does the palace have more money than the Government?
So royalty can afford the best lawyers in the world?

Riverwalk Mon 05-Jan-15 08:50:02

No soon the royal family are hard up - they'll have to get legal aid. hmm

petallus Mon 05-Jan-15 08:56:32

If the Government become involved it will be in support of the Palace surely.

absent Mon 05-Jan-15 09:00:57

HM Government, surely? HM The Q is Head of State.

Iam64 Mon 05-Jan-15 09:18:15

How can the Palace/anyone take action against newspapers for reporting news? So far as I can see, no one on the gransnet discussion or any of the press reports are suggested Andrew is guilty of anything. Well, anything other than being a poor judge of character and maintaining a friendship with a convicted sex offender that is. The evidence for that seems solid.

soontobe Mon 05-Jan-15 09:19:14

I would have thought the Government too.

But I saw a programme a couple of years ago about how much the Queen is worth.
Some of what she owns was described as priceless, so it got me thinking.

Nelliemoser Mon 05-Jan-15 09:36:09

Whenim indeed it does but I don't know if the US have similar laws.

Pettallus It is irrelevant who the alleged perpetrator of anything potentially likely to be a court issue is, idle media speculation about guilt or innocence is wrong.

As Absent says there are also libel laws to consider.

Look at the Daily Express and other papers who made all sorts of allegations about the neighbour of Joanna_Yeates the woman murdered in Bristol a few years ago.
The papers had to pay through the nose for that, and the innocent man involved suffered a great deal from these media driven false allegations.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Yeates

We should also be concerned that lots of idle speculation in the media (including GNres hinting at innocence or guilt) could provide a legal loophole for defence barristers wanting to suggest that a suspect for whatever crime, could never get a fair trial because of well spread but unfounded rumours.

Anyone remember the paediatrician some years back who was targeted with abuse by a group of people, whipped up into a frenzy about paedophiles, who confused the concept of paediatrician with a paedophile?
I think some of that witch hunt was egged on by a tabloid newspaper!

Any widely spread speculation could easily act against the best interests of victims as well as the accused.

Whatever the court issue is we are supposed to ensure someone has a fair trial and that includes not listening media speculation or innuendo.

absent Mon 05-Jan-15 09:54:31

On a closely related issue, what is the difference between something being untrue and something being categorically untrue?

soontobe Mon 05-Jan-15 10:09:04

So it is when there is a potential court case pending that things can get sticky for media outlets?
So people online talking idly about the everyday antics about celebs is not libelous. But talking about him could be?

whitewave Mon 05-Jan-15 10:30:34

What happened to freedom of speech? This is treading a fine line I think, and the Palace needs to think this through carefully before it starts attacking the British Public.

Our opinions should not be so abused! This is plain wrong.

anniezzz09 Mon 05-Jan-15 10:48:48

Tegan any way you could tell us about that other forum, I'd be interested. Thanks.

NfkDumpling Mon 05-Jan-15 11:26:57

Why didn't GNHQ simply delete the offending post - like wot they normally do?