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Very Worried, What on earth do I do?

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Livlass Fri 08-Jan-21 13:06:41

Hi,hoping someone will know the answer to this. 2nd marriage, both of us late 70s, married 4 yrs living in husbands house. (I offered to buy half but was rejected) So even though I have not put in a lump sum,together we have refurbished house and I contribute a monthly sum to household. Hubby has just made new will and has told me that house has been put in trust for his 2 AC along with his savings etc. I can live there till I either decide to leave or die. Question is: If hubby goes into a care home or dies,does that give his AC who care more about drugs and drink and are unstable, the right just to walk into my home and take over everything?

Griselda Sat 09-Jan-21 10:13:19

I would be very disappointed if my husband made a will without discussion with me first.

DaisyL Sat 09-Jan-21 10:13:39

My husband died five years ago and the house was left to my stepson but I can live here for the rest of my life. There should be no problem and I think that I could make alterations if I wanted to do that, however that might be worth checking. Also it might be an idea to set in place a Power of Attorney in case he gets dementia. It doesn't have to be activated until needed. Definitely as others have said see a solicitor.

CarlyD7 Sat 09-Jan-21 10:14:12

I do know a friend whose father was 6 years into a second marriage when he died. His wife inherited everything - house, business, investments - all of it - and then passed it all on to her children. My friend and her brother inherited zero - even though the business had been in her mother's family for decades, and she'd wanted them to have it. This may be what your husband is trying to prevent (sorry). BUT it puts you in a very difficult position and you need legal advice immediately. If he refuses to let you see the will, then I would ask him what he's trying to hide? Has he been entirely truthful with you? And, as a very last resort, you may need to start divorce proceedings - where the division of money and property will be up to the divorce court and his will doesn't count (as he's not dead yet) - as far as I know. Otherwise, if he hasn't been entirely honest, you may find yourself out on the street when he dies. If he won't let you see it, then I would be a little suspicious (sorry) and you need to make sure that you will be okay ASAP.

Phloembundle Sat 09-Jan-21 10:14:15

How sad your husband didn't tell you before he did it.

CarlyD7 Sat 09-Jan-21 10:16:48

Also - we bought our house from a lady whose husband had left it to his 2 sons, with the proviso she could live there as long as she wanted. BUT one of the sons made her life a misery (probably egged on by his girlfriend who wanted him to extract the money and buy a house with her), constantly coming around and ringing her and harassing her, until she gave in and put the house up for sale. Even if it states in the Will that you can live there, don't assume it will be trouble-free - depends on your relationship with his children.

Aepgirl Sat 09-Jan-21 10:22:37

You must consult a solicitor.

SisterAct Sat 09-Jan-21 10:35:10

Please As Aepgirl says Get a solicitor.

The same thing happened to my mums friend. Now at 90 she cannot sell as the proceeds would go to his children. He also made his children trustees and if she wants to do anything to the property they have to give permission. She had to get this for handles at the front door to help her get in. It took months. She was never sure they liked her but played the game when their father was alive. It was obvious after he died they did not. He died 15 years ago and all they want is for her to as well.
She has good friends and neighbours but it’s heartbreaking

SusieFlo Sat 09-Jan-21 10:38:13

Yes

vampirequeen Sat 09-Jan-21 10:39:04

It's really important that this will is drawn up properly. You need to take legal advice.

Caro57 Sat 09-Jan-21 10:40:38

Definitely get legal advice but perhaps - to keep the atmosphere sweet - (and if you feel ok about it) suggest DH is there as well as you only want to know legally where you stand in this rather than challenge his decision. He may not realise what he has done in legal terms

Pammie1 Sat 09-Jan-21 10:46:38

@eazybee. The problem is that if this has been done to circumvent care home fees for the husband, and therefore leave the inheritance intact, which a lot of trust funds are designed to do, his income will be taken to pay for care. This will in all likelihood leave the wife unable to afford to live in the house. Downsizing would be tricky legally and what pays for her own care needs later on. I think a conversation is needed to persuade him that he has not adequately provided for her. The courts would also take into account money she has ‘invested’ in the upkeep of the house and contributions towards the running of the household - I have a friend who ended up selling his home to reimburse his ex partner in this way after they split up. I would imagine something similar would apply here. Might be worth totting up how much she has contributed so far and then keep records of expenses from now on.

Hetty58 Sat 09-Jan-21 10:50:38

Livlass you have a legal right to an interest in the property. You can't predict the future, though, so best to consult a solicitor (online) for peace of mind.

Jaffacakes Sat 09-Jan-21 10:51:21

Alarm bells started to ring when I read your post..... please do go and see a solicitor and take professional advice. Personally, I would have thought that out of respect to you as his wife your husband should have discussed with you first how he wished to leave his estate when he dies or has to go into care. Also, as a loving husband surely he would want to make sure adequate provision was provided for his wife.

Sashabel Sat 09-Jan-21 10:58:45

A friends mother married late in life and they were together for 12 years before he sadly passed away. In all that time she did everything for him and paid her share of the bills. When he died, she found out that he had left her nothing apart from the right to live in his house until she died or left to go into a home. Surely, he could have left a percentage of his estate to her in recognition for all she had done for him. After all, when you marry later in life the commitment is different to marrying in your 20's and you undertake a more caring role if one partner has age related health issues.
Luckily in this case, her step children recognised all she had done for their father (thus easing their responsibility in their fathers last few years) and shared part of his estate with her. But she was extremely hurt that it had to come to this and she was not considered worth anything to him when push came to shove.

bongobil Sat 09-Jan-21 11:09:17

One reason I wont remarry, I really feel for you and like others have said take legal advice asap

Susanne123 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:10:34

Just a thought what if you were able to buy half of the house then give your share to his children. Would that make you joint legal owner of the property. I may be talking rubbish here but thought I’d put that in the mix.

Cabbie21 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:13:12

I am not sure that a solicitor can be of much help at this stage unless you can show him a copy of the will.
You and your husband need to have a frank conversation, which you should have done when you were about to marry. If you can clarify the situation, then I would try to persuade your husband to accompany you to see a solicitor, complete with will, so s/he can explain the implications of it and what your rights as a widow would be - and vice versa.
Do you have children? You obviously have a chunk of savings as you offered to buy half his house when you married. If you die first, who will inherit your savings? Have you made a will?Without a will, it will be your husband, for the most part. If you have used a fair amount of your money on the house, there will be less for your children to inherit. Maybe your husband could consider that, and leave some of his savings to you.
My husband and I are on our second marriage, each with adult children, but we own our house as tenants in common, with a life interest so that the surviving spouse can stay in the house. I can see that in some situations this can create problems if the children are keen to get their inheritance.
As I said, before rushing off to see a solicitor yourself, you and your husband need to sort out the position.

RosieJ18 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:14:51

Get and tear this will yourself immediately so that you can understand the ins and outs.
My husband is a twin and always thought his parents would half their wills to include him and his sister equally.
That didn’t happen as we had our own home and she still lived at home . She was left the house and the money . Her brother had been a good son doing a lot for his parents and worked extremely hard to provide his home where as she had always lived at home with no pressures of having to provide for a family . The unfairness of it still eats away at me big time . I will never forgive them and wish we had known before they passed so that we could address the thinking behind their decision.
Myhusband just says he has to accept it and doesn’t want as usual to upset his sister by challenging or talking about it .
She thinks it’s all good and hasn’t a thought about any unfairness or problem with it . Sometimes I feel I,m going to explode and risk what I know would cause a rift between us but I keep quiet because of my husbands wishes.
Get it sorted now before it’s too late to alter a scenario he may not even have thought about properly.
The damage will be permanent .... I can’t even bare looking at their photo without feeling angry .It so unfair !

RosieJ18 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:18:54

I meant to say say READ this will not tear it

Doug1 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:21:00

Please consult a solicitor asap. This happened to a friend of mine many years ago. The AC inherited the house but 2 of them sold out to their elder sister. She then told my fiend that whilst she could stay for life the property was being converted into flats. My friend who was used to living in a massive house ended up in 2 rooms.

ajswan Sat 09-Jan-21 11:35:12

Pammie1

@eazybee. The problem is that if this has been done to circumvent care home fees for the husband, and therefore leave the inheritance intact, which a lot of trust funds are designed to do, his income will be taken to pay for care. This will in all likelihood leave the wife unable to afford to live in the house. Downsizing would be tricky legally and what pays for her own care needs later on. I think a conversation is needed to persuade him that he has not adequately provided for her. The courts would also take into account money she has ‘invested’ in the upkeep of the house and contributions towards the running of the household - I have a friend who ended up selling his home to reimburse his ex partner in this way after they split up. I would imagine something similar would apply here. Might be worth totting up how much she has contributed so far and then keep records of expenses from now on.

I might be in the same situation as OP. I am going to sell my house and move into my Fiancé’s house. We do intend to get married at a later date. It is a good idea to write down everything I spend on the upkeep of his house. Also I always thought that the wife was the legal next of kin. My situation is doubly difficult because I will have the money from the sale of my house. He has AC and so do I as well as GC. I will insist that we see a solicitor together, but I have made it quite clear to the AC that what is his is his and what is mine is mine. He did mention that if he died first I would be able to stay in his house but I am not having that, I will take steps straight away to protect myself. He does not want to sell his house and buy a bigger house together in joint names which would be easier. I also agree with other posters that he was wrong to write a will without discussing it with his wife. That doesn’t bode well.

rafichagran Sat 09-Jan-21 11:36:50

Please make sure you have provisions for your children.

Peasblossom Sat 09-Jan-21 11:44:15

Don’t sell your house*ajswan*. Keep it and rent it. Then you’ll always have that security. Money invested might not keep up with house prices if you have to move out and buy again.

beverly10 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:45:00

Without question, now not later, any person in this situation should get a solicitors advice.

grandtanteJE65 Sat 09-Jan-21 11:49:38

You do need to see a solicitor, preferably with a copy of your husband's will, as if you are only able to tell the solicitor what your husband has told you, it will be difficult for him to advise you.

You need to know exactly what will happen if he has to go into residential care. I have heard of people being forced to sell a house to pay for that.

Has your husband made a power of attorney and if yes, in whose name?

I don't think you are entitled to the money you have invested in the house. In hindsight you should never have agreed to live in a property that was not in your name as well as his.

I would advise you to make a list of any furniture, cutlery, crockery, other household goods and jewelry that you either owned before your present marriage or have bought since using your own savings or pension. These things are your property. I think I would lodge jewelry or other valubles in the bank in your name, so that they are not in the house if your husband predeceases you.

Consider whether you can afford to live on your own in this house, and whether you want to.

What are the provisions of your own will?

Does your husband understand the situation he is leaving you in, if he goes first?

I hope you can get him to discuss all this with him, but do get legal advice.
Unless you are very well-off, I do not thing leaving both his house and his savings in trust is fair. Are you expected to pay the upkeep of the house out of your savings, or can you access the trust for that?

To me all this should have been discussed between the two of you before he made his will.

Quite frankly, you might be better off divorcing him than risking becoming his widow.