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Very Worried, What on earth do I do?

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Livlass Fri 08-Jan-21 13:06:41

Hi,hoping someone will know the answer to this. 2nd marriage, both of us late 70s, married 4 yrs living in husbands house. (I offered to buy half but was rejected) So even though I have not put in a lump sum,together we have refurbished house and I contribute a monthly sum to household. Hubby has just made new will and has told me that house has been put in trust for his 2 AC along with his savings etc. I can live there till I either decide to leave or die. Question is: If hubby goes into a care home or dies,does that give his AC who care more about drugs and drink and are unstable, the right just to walk into my home and take over everything?

Doodledog Sat 09-Jan-21 18:03:45

welbeck

why would a husband make a will without involving his wife in the planning of it. and then resist showing her the will. she should certainly have a copy of it.
i would consider divorce proceedings in this situation.

Has the OP said that he has resisted showing her the will? I have thread the thread, but don't remember seeing her state this - apologies if she has.

Again, I think that there are people jumping to conclusions here - the husband is 'not a nice man', and he should be divorced.

There is not a lot of information on which to base these judgements (not that the OP should feel that she has to reveal any more detail). All we know is that this is how the will was set up after four years of marriage, and that the OP is unsure of how that will leave her if he predeceases her, which he may not, and that there are children from a previous marriage.

It may be that there are other things going on behind the scenes, but equally there may not. We don't know if the OP is well-provided for after a life of working and saving, or from inheritance or a previous marriage. We don't know whether the OP has children of her own, or even whether the husband inherited the house in trust himself and is obliged to leave it to his children.

I think that advising divorce is making a huge leap in most circumstances, and particularly based on so little.

Lollipop1 Sat 09-Jan-21 18:23:26

You need expert advice from a Solicitor who deals solely in Trusts and Wills. Go to a large firm that has a solid reputation and pay for the advice. In legal matters you get what you pay for.

Skye17 Sat 09-Jan-21 18:40:11

@Nannan2 I agree with Doodledog. Why should his children be disinherited because he has married again? I would hate that to happen to my children.

Skye17 Sat 09-Jan-21 18:42:41

//I think that advising divorce is making a huge leap in most circumstances, and particularly based on so little.//

Absolutely.

Seajaye Sun 10-Jan-21 09:11:13

If you are married you will have rights of occupational in respect of the matrimonial home, even if not in joint names, and the property can't be sold to pay for care home charges while you live there, although a charge can be put on the title and payable when the home is eventually sold . You will also have a right to challenge the will if reasonable provision has not been made for you.. It sounds like reasonable provision has been made to give you a life interest. A late second marriage often results in provisions for second spouse to have life interest and then for property to pass to adult children of first marriage after death of second spouse. You should take legal advice on what you can do with the life interest as sometimes the ' tenant for life' has the power of sale if they need to move, but the trust for the adult chikdren transfers to new property in substitution. Sometimes a post death variation can also be negotiated by executors with
all the beneficiariess, if adult children want their inheritance earlier, for example if there is enough money available to make alternative settlement, if all parties can agree on terms. Take legal advice, and don't forget to make your own will as you might die before your husband, especially if you do not want all your assets to eventually go via him to his children..

David0205 Sun 10-Jan-21 09:16:45

Seajaye

If you are married you will have rights of occupational in respect of the matrimonial home, even if not in joint names, and the property can't be sold to pay for care home charges while you live there, although a charge can be put on the title and payable when the home is eventually sold . You will also have a right to challenge the will if reasonable provision has not been made for you.. It sounds like reasonable provision has been made to give you a life interest. A late second marriage often results in provisions for second spouse to have life interest and then for property to pass to adult children of first marriage after death of second spouse. You should take legal advice on what you can do with the life interest as sometimes the ' tenant for life' has the power of sale if they need to move, but the trust for the adult chikdren transfers to new property in substitution. Sometimes a post death variation can also be negotiated by executors with
all the beneficiariess, if adult children want their inheritance earlier, for example if there is enough money available to make alternative settlement, if all parties can agree on terms. Take legal advice, and don't forget to make your own will as you might die before your husband, especially if you do not want all your assets to eventually go via him to his children..

This is a very close practical account of how it works in most situations

Sparkling Sun 10-Jan-21 09:36:22

Can I put another side on this. You married 4 years ago and offered half the money so you would be joint owners, 2hich your husband refused, yet you still went ahead. Where were you living prior to the marriage? Surely in a couple of years you haven’t spent all that money, so you’re practically back to where you were 4 years ago. If that house belonged to the children’s mother and father I can see how they would be aggrieved. It is their inheritance, that is why I would never remarry. I and my siblings never received one penny after my father remarried and died a short time afterwards with new wife, who remarried after selling up got the lot. My father would never have wanted that.

Classic Sun 10-Jan-21 12:55:04

I worry about my situation in the same way, I have children from 2 previous marriages, husband doesn't. We both sold properties to buy this one together and married. I worry that if I die first he will move in a new woman ( to look after him and do housework gardening ect....) And then when he dies new woman would inherit everything that was mine that I would want to go to my children. As he doesn't have a will as far as I know, and wouldn't show me it if he did, I just have to hope things work out, but I will need to write a will to say that my half of the property should go to my children should he sell or die. Its already a bungalow for retirement so he wouldn't need to sell for smaller.

Madgran77 Sun 10-Jan-21 13:01:34

You need expert advice from a Solicitor who deals solely in Trusts and Wills. Go to a large firm that has a solid reputation and pay for the advice. In legal matters you get what you pay for.

Good advice and exactly what you need to do!

Livlass Sun 10-Jan-21 16:59:12

Oh my word,thankyou so much EVERYONE who gave me such good advice. I,m overwhelmed. My husband refuses to discuss anything about this will. We live in a affluent area so once alone my pension wouldn’t go far and I would have to use my savings to pay bills. I heard him discussing POW with his eldest AC so that might have already been settled. There’s no way that his AC would let me stay,I would be harrassed to death, they would want the house sold. I have already made a will so my AC are ok.A few of you have suggested divorce and yes maybe I should just cut my losses and walk away.But I will go and get legal advice as soon as it’s possible.

GrauntyHelen Sun 10-Jan-21 21:06:39

Legalities depend on where you live Get a lawyer to advise ASAP

Livlass Mon 11-Jan-21 08:27:09

Sorry should be POA Power of Attorney not POW ?

Suzyb Mon 11-Jan-21 12:33:02

My friend’s partner moved into her home about 7 years ago. It is a beautiful house and the one she lived in with her husband before he died and where they brought up their 2 AC. Her will leaves everything to her 2 AC and specifies partner will have to move out on her death. Her partner is fully aware of this. What she has done though is to take out life insurance on her life which her partner will inherit in the event of her death.
I think this is fair as if my friend who’s 66 was to die now, her AC may have to wait years to inherit the proceeds of their father’s working life. He was chief accountant of a large company on a substantial salary and would definitely have intended his children to reap the benefits of his life’s work. The partner sold his property before he moved in with my friend and although he had a small mortgage he did receive an amount of equity so with my friend’s contribution, will be able to buy a smaller property.

Peasblossom Mon 11-Jan-21 12:45:06

We looked at this option Suzy, but it carried with it the problem of house price rises if we lived a long time, and not being able to take out additional insurance to cover this as you got older.

The house I sold to move in with OH was bought 10 years ago for 170,000. Ones like it now sell for 285,000. The amount needed to cover potential price rises was prohibitively expensive given our ages.

Theoldwrinkley Mon 11-Jan-21 17:51:41

I don’t actually know for a fact, but I think that they can’t ‘sell the house’ to pay care home fees etc if the spouse is still alive and living there. Butfor peace of mind, have a chat to a solicitor.
What a pity his Adult Children don’t get a grip of themselves.

Suzyb Mon 11-Jan-21 20:54:01

Sorry Pleasebossom Maybe I didn’t make my post clear. All my friend has done is to take out an insurance on her life for an amount she’s chosen. This has nothing to do with the value or anticipated value of her home nor is it charged to her home. All it will do is enable her partner to have funds to either buy a small property or rent somewhere which will be in addition to the funds he already has from his previous property. Obviously this is only if she predeceases him. Her partner helps with the day to day household bills but all maintenance and home improvement work is paid for solely by my friend.

David0205 Mon 11-Jan-21 21:54:49

This sounds a very practical solution the partner knows that as the survivior he will have to move out and a life insurance is in place to help him relocate. There may be a period between going into care and death which could be prolonged, so there might be a hitch there I’m not sure what would happen in that case.

welbeck Mon 11-Jan-21 22:16:19

it is easy and all too frequent to bully/ coerce/harass an older person, out of a property, whatever the law says.
OP is being realistic to consider this a likely possibility.
and if AC have POA, that further dilutes her security, as they could make decisions adverse to her, even while spouse is alive.
get advice urgently. and get out if you can. divorce is to secure what you can while you can. look out for yourself, they won't.

Peasblossom Mon 11-Jan-21 22:40:43

I think I understood Suzy. If we had taken out life policies for £100,000 + my equity of 70,000 I could have rebought my house straight away. 10 years down the line I would have been £100,000 short of what I needed to repurchase.

I’m just wondering how he covered that possibility.

I’m very worried about the OP. I can see she could be left in a situation where she can neither go nor stay.

David0205 Tue 12-Jan-21 07:27:44

Peasblossom

I think I understood Suzy. If we had taken out life policies for £100,000 + my equity of 70,000 I could have rebought my house straight away. 10 years down the line I would have been £100,000 short of what I needed to repurchase.

I’m just wondering how he covered that possibility.

I’m very worried about the OP. I can see she could be left in a situation where she can neither go nor stay.

The decision was made 10 yrs ago not to retain a second house, with hindsight this was a mistake, probably there is no way to guarantee a house free of debt for the future. Retaining or buying a retirement place for a bereaved spouse can usually only be done well in advance, because spare cash for life insurance is not available.

MaudBoggins Sun 24-Jan-21 00:31:33

Some good advice here, rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/family-law/marriage-your-rights-to-your-home/