Trans Nurses

Men are physically stronger and faster than women. That’s not complicated. I see Lia Thomas won another prestigious swimming award. S/he beat the 2nd place swimmer , a female, by about a minute.
This is ridiculous and indefensible. The other competitors dislike Lia sharing their changing room. S/he strips off, as they do. S/he has a male body and the women feel uncomfortable.

Before I’m accused of bringing ‘extreme or on the edges’ points into this discussion. This is factual and I don’t believe s/he would be able to compete against women.

Madgran the I hate women being called vulnerable is used a lot in this debate. Similar in many ways to the they just need to run faster when men are competing in womens sports. The woman in the hospital was vulnerable if we pretend she wasnt then what are we saying. What could she have done to stop a man overpowering her, how could she not have been vulnerable.

SagoI am very sorry that you went through that awful experience. I hope that you have been able to move forward positively with your life despite that happening to you.

Galaxy

Perhaps hithere thinks she should have fought harder.

Hither didn't say that or anything close to it.

Sago how truly dreadful, I hope you had help to deal with this terrifying incident.

There’s a problem with the way women are viewed in society. The focus is on the need for supporting evidence. If it’s the word of the victim, usually a woman, against the denial of the perpetrator that’s a hurdle. If the perpetrator accepts intercourse happened, but insists it was consensual that’s another hurdle. Even if the woman has bruises on her neck, arms,legs and is badly bruised or ripped internally, the defence will be that she consented because she likes it rough

Then after all that, the person facing you in court is wearing a frock and lipstick and self identifies as a woman, and you are told therefore that you haven't been raped. What an insult to the victim and to common sense.

Sago that must have been terrifying for you. I don’t believe there should ever be mixed wards in hospitals.

Sago I'm so sorry to hear what you went through.

Sago so sad to learn or your awful experience

Sago, I’m sorry, I cross posted with you otherwise I would have acknowledged your post. It sounds terrifying, no wonder ptsd followed.

The problem with the vanishingly low prosecution/conviction of rape is nothing to do with trans . I see no reason to change the legal definition of rape with a penis, sexual assault with an implement. The idea that a rape victim should address the rapist with a penis as her is beyond offensive.

There’s a problem with the way women are viewed in society. The focus is on the need for supporting evidence. If it’s the word of the victim, usually a woman, against the denial of the perpetrator that’s a hurdle. If the perpetrator accepts intercourse happened, but insists it was consensual that’s another hurdle. Even if the woman has bruises on her neck, arms,legs and is badly bruised or ripped internally, the defence will be that she consented because she likes it rough.

I’m not clear on the current approach but in the recent past, the CPS wanted 80-85% chance of conviction before they’d agree to court.

VioletSky

Hithere

Galaxy

Please tell me where I said that.

Nothing further from the truth

I was very shocked to see that awful thought assigned to you and wanted you to know that was seen and it's not OK.

Yup. Here too.

I am so sorry Sago.

I was attacked by a male patient in a mixed ward.
This madman held a knife to my throat, it was terrifying, I suffered PTSD as a result of the incident.
I was vulnerable as I was seriously I’ll and recovering from unpleasant surgery.
I wouldn’t want anyone to go through that.
My heart goes out to the poor woman who was raped.

Males as a general rule are stronger than women, not always but mostly, its partly why we need spaces that are single sex when we are vulnerable. So when we are naked, or ill or whatever.

Hithere

Galaxy

Please tell me where I said that.

Nothing further from the truth

I was very shocked to see that awful thought assigned to you and wanted you to know that was seen and it's not OK.

?Tom Swarbrick will be discussing this on LBC after 3

Not biting

Have a nice weekend!

Strength sorry.

So she was vulnerable to the steength of a male then.

Galaxy

Please tell me where I said that.

Nothing further from the truth

Perhaps hithere thinks she should have fought harder.

Hithere

I hate the word "vulnerable", as if it is women are weaker, prey to all dangers in the world

It is not true, at all

Actually, if you are ill enough to be in hospital, you are pretty vulnerable, even if you are usually not.

GillT57

Stop the world, I want to get off.

I can't believe the apologists on here, hair splitting about whether the woman was raped or not, whether the perpetrator was a woman, or not. The facts are; a woman, in what should have been a place of safety was raped. By an intact male. Said woman was then told this could not be so as technically there were no men on the ward. There was, however, a penis on the ward, and it was used to rape a woman. If anyone, trans or intact or whatever raped my DD while she slept in her hospital bed they wouldn't need to have gender re-assignment surgery because I would rip it off them. Tin hat on, awaiting accusations of transphobia.

Yes. I have seven little granddaughters and I would do just the same.

The political party that prevents this happening in a hospital FFS and staff covering it up will get my vote.

I hate the word "vulnerable", as if it is women are weaker, prey to all dangers in the world

It is not true, at all

If it was a male patient it makes it worse. We all know that there are both male and female nurses and midwives, but to have a male patient on a female ward or bay takes the biscuit in my opinion.