Thatcher has died

An era of destruction of working people & their jobs, families & communities was started by this woman & is continued by those who are her spawn in government today. Good riddance, I wish her hateful legacy was gone too.

Are you an Irish pirate?

VQ

No. I have read my post again and I think it reads perfectly well.

It was not right for anybody to have their lives destroyed, it is often forgotten, probably through lack of consideration or knowledge of other peoples lives, that the entire country suffered loss of employment and struggled to feed their families. You blame Margaret Thatcher, others blame the unions pre Thatchers era and during it.

It was not a slight to the 'collective voice' of the mining communities. I was pointing out that there was also a community which did not have a 'collective voice', the rest of the country. In other words if all those who lost jobs due to union issues got together they could put there point across and would be heard and recognised, which they are not.

Under any circumstance if you get media coverage your point will be heard and discussed. If you get no media coverage your plight goes unnoticed. Elimentary.

I reiterate. Those dark days did not belong to any one class, any one job nor any one geographical area.

Does that make sense now. To be honest I don't how to put my point over in any other way so that will have to do. I tried to answer your question as best I can.

I'm coming round to the idea of the funeral but only because she wasn't as hated on the world stage as she was at home, and it might give us a bit of much needed positive publicity now that everyone has forgotten how well we did the Olympic Games .

Nonu First of all, I hadn't understood your rather oddly worded question on page 11 or realised that it was addressed to me, as my name wasn't clearly indicated. Your subsequent comment "You are probably too busy to answer - must have a million things on your plate" struck me as a rather sneering remark and a bit childish.

Anyway, it was actually me that asked the question - why such a funeral was not granted to Macmillan, Douglas-Home, Heath, Wilson, or Callaghan. Perhaps you'd like to answer it.

Sadly Margaret Thatcher is better respected and known for her legacy of being a major player in ending The Cold War on the Global Stage than by the people of this country. Some have no idea of this fact, I dare say some of those who rejoice in her death have no knowledge of this fact.

The part she has played on the Global Stage to end The Cold War, Kuwait and Sadam Hussain, the Falklands liberation are hardly being spoken of. She is highly respected in countries such as the US, Poland and Czechoslavakia [excuse spelling], they will not be dancing in the streets to celebrate her death. There is ofcourse those who hate her for her position on communism.

I think this is why she is being given a funeral of such stature. Heaven only knows what the world will make of it all if this country goes from being viewed as a friendly country during the olympics to a country of hate and desrespect for the dead .

Why do we have to show respect to dead person if we didn't show respect to that person when they were alive?

Pogs
Your spelling of Czechoslovakia is not bad at all.

Eloe , I would suggest than none of the people you mentioned were as great in stature as

Margaret Hilda Thatcher

..of course, we'll need to get Danny Boyle to direct it and somehow edit out the egg throwing, but I think it could work.....

ABSENT Definition of vitriolic : Bitterly scathing and caustic .....isn't that what most comments on this thread have been? Someone even said they weren't ashamed to say they cheered when they heard she was dead.

gillybob I so loved your comment about key skill, sight for the tube drivers

Don't you think it was ironic that at the same time as Maggie was supporting Lech Wałęsa and Solidarność mobilising the workers to action (including strikes) which ultimately overthrew the USSR controlled Polish government she was introducing anti-union laws and destroying the labour movement in the UK?

She didn't care about the Polish people. Their freedom from communism was a side effect of her policies not the focus. A non-communist Poland would weaken the USSR as it needed it's eastern European satellite states especially for it's defence policy just as we needed West Germany. The 'plan' and I use that term loosely because I fail to see how anyone could plan for WWIII was to fight in eastern and central Europe whilst negotiating a peace treaty meaning that all the death and destruction took place away from the USSR and USA.

I actually give Ed Millibrand credit for pitching his speech just right.

Sel

I watched today and I thought it was very good. I thought where there was criticism it was balanced and expected, apart from the one or two who I think made it more about them than Margaret Thatcher .

I wish all the facts and figures were told about her by the media. I think a lot of people would have a better perspective of what is truth and what is political rhetoric that has stuck like the perverbial. Too much to ask for unbiased media coverage about anything these days sadly.

I agree POGS there is no unbiased media. The BBC should be, we all pay a licence fee but they aren't. I heard on PM that the song Ding Dong the Witch is Dead is heading for top of the charts, they were considering should they play it on Radio 1, top 10 on Sunday. What have we come to?

How absolutely pathetic...

I don't think most threads have been vitriolic agapanthus ( Are Agapanthus from the same family as the Allium or ornamental onion? I have them growing in my seaside garden and absolutely adore them) .

I think most people have tried to say what they really feel without going too far. I was a full on Labourite during most of Mrs T's time in power and I think that the hatred and total disrespect show is nothing short disgraceful .

Greatnan you asked me what I considered left/right political extremes (I don't know which thread it was on as there as several similar with multiple pages) and I think you mentioned UKIP and SWP as potential examples. I don't know if there any legal parties that are further out on the spectrum but I would say being a member of either of those two would make one pretty far left or right.

You also asked if I denied that the bankers played their part in the financial crisis, no, I don't, of course they did but the point I was trying to make is that the last Labour Government and many on here find it very convenient to shift all the blame to them. As this is a thread on MT, I won't go on.

Sel

I was reading a letter from The actress Liz Fraser today concerning the left wing bias that exists in the industry. She said that after being at a Tory Conference with Jim Davidson, Pete Murray and herself not long after Jim Davidson was widly abused, Pete Murray was sacked and she lost a part in a film.

She said once at a cocktail party in Downing Streeet she met 3 Union Leaders. She said one laughed as he told me how they kept quiet about accepting Thatchers invitations.

Another time she went to a union meeting against Thatchers policies because various studios were shutting down. She told them productions at MGM Elstree had been withdrawn to France another to Hollywood because they refused to have the enormous crews the unions insisted on. MGM closed not long afterwards. She said the unions were too strong and ran like lemmings into the sea of unemployment. A point I have been trying to remind people of, but it is easier to blame Thatcher for everything.

Oh, yes, Jim Davidson - that fine, upstanding chap - quite a catch for the Conservatives.

I wonder if your view of unions and their effect on the economy is directly coloured by past employment. It would be interesting to know what jobs the people who see them as a force for good, did. I remember going down a pit in Wales that's open to the public and hearing the appalling conditions that men worked in and they had no voice, they were at the mercy of the mine owner. Not sure how they became so powerful that they could hold the country to ransom. You've been making the point that what they did affected everyone, every person, every business. I for one didn't elect them and yet believed I lived in a democracy.

I think the situation Liz Fraser found herself in probably exists today, certainly the bias does.

Oh for goodness sake Eloethan

Eloethan

You have missed the point again. Look at the bigger point to the post rather than nit pick.

I could say, Oh Eddie Izard, that fine upstanding chap - quite a catch for Labour. That would be childish.

I am a self confessed news and current affairs junkie and am annoyed at the cancellation of many programmes and over-reporting in the normal news slots when I just turn off or flick trough the first 15 pages of the newspaper. How many more people can the media find to interview? Just about every man and his dog have been asked for their opinions. I did hear the item stating the "Government" will pay for this funeral, does this mean the Conservative Party or will it be the unrepresented taxpayer as usual? I hear son Mark is now being addressed as Sir, title inherited through his mother I assume. Does this mean he takes her seat in the Lords? We already have enough unelected criminals in there.