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Chivalry and sexism

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thatbags Sat 19-Oct-13 13:04:14

Interesting article here about how no-one in the House of Commons offered Jo Swinson a seat recently so that she had to stand throughout a session. She is seven months pregnant apparently.

An easy way to solve the problem of not having a seat when you need one is to carry one of these. That's what I did when pregnant. Mine wasn't that expensive though it did come from the NT. Must be about fifteen years old by now. Still going strong.

I would have thought, also, that anyone gutsy enough to be an MP, and a minister would just ask for a seat if she needed one.

So what I'm wondering is whether this is about chivalry at all. It's rather an old-fashioned notion really. Politeness isn't and I was pleased to see a young man stand and offer his seat on the bus to a woman who was at least old enough to be his mum yesterday. She accepted gracefully. Meanwhile a very young woman with a very young child did not sit the child on her lap to vacate a seat when the bus filled up and several people were standing. The sheer boldness of that astonishes me.

Deedaa Sun 20-Oct-13 21:28:55

I know that the mantra today is "Pregnancy is not a disease" but I still feel it does no harm to offer. My daughter sailed through her first pregnancy but was so crippled during the second one she couldn't have stood for five minutes, let alone thirty. It just seems common courtesy to me to offer a seat to anyone who looks as if they might need one, regardless of age, sex or anything else.

felice Wed 23-Oct-13 10:04:07

I walk with one or two canes, in the past crutches, here in Brussels it is very multi-cultural and I have noticed that it is the African and North African men of all ages who immediately stand up.
Around the EU area with all the suits i am never offered a seat and once stood on crutches for 40 minutes on a bus to a posh satellite town with the bus full of men and women clutching laptops in posh suits. there were a few bruised ankles and toes by the time I got off, but still no one offered me a seat.

Lona Wed 23-Oct-13 16:42:15

Iam64 I would have got off at Wilmslow too, so please don't think we're all like that here smile
Some of us are quite nice wink

tiggypiro Wed 23-Oct-13 20:15:25

Anyone with a child who gets on a bus in Beijing is usually offered a seat immediately. If it doesn't happen then the conductor tells someone, in no uncertain manner, to move. Best not to travel in rush hours though !!

Faye Wed 23-Oct-13 23:45:52

It does say a lot about someone's lack of empathy when they sit while a pregnant woman or someone who obviously needs a seat stands. They would also most probably be difficult and selfish to the people in their families and every day lives.

Iam64 Thu 24-Oct-13 09:06:05

OK Lona, I do know that really, i have good friends in that area. Some folks are just rude, where ever they live, no offence taken I hope.

Lona Thu 24-Oct-13 09:09:25

Of course not Iam64, this area is full of prats!

Iam64 Thu 24-Oct-13 09:32:01

tee hee -

Nelliemoser Thu 24-Oct-13 09:36:15

I think in the early years of the feminist movement there were a lot of women going over the top about things like being offered a seat because they were women. Feeling very offended by being called "love" or "duck" or "pet" etc when these terms were just terms of friendliness in shops etc which is just second nature in some parts of the country. This is like people latching onto a band wagon of political correctness without applying common sense.

diddleymaz Thu 24-Oct-13 11:23:14

It all depends on the context and the attitude of both parties, the same gesture could be good manners or a patronizing put down and all stops in between.