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Do we expect too much as a right in Great Britain?

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rosequartz Fri 18-Apr-14 20:18:57

Relatives visiting from Australia are astonished at how much is provided by the State for the population of Great Britain.

In Wales we all receive free prescriptions (although our NHS in Wales apparently is in a bad state). Senior citizens are eligible to free prescriptions everywhere else, whatever their income. Now free school meals are proposed for all primary school children, and in some areas free breakfast clubs are provided for school children. There are many other benefits available which would astonish citizens of many other countries.

Does this make us a dependent society expecting more and more, or should those who can afford it be expected to pay for these services as is the norm in other countries, bearing in mind that our tax rate is lower than many other countries?

Should we start to become less dependent on the State and more self-reliant, at the same time as caring for those in need?

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 12:31:08

No! It wasn't. If the powers that be see that it will be deleted.

Norty Jane.

Galen Wed 23-Apr-14 13:04:44

Come on Eglantine you've said worse yourself

ninny Wed 23-Apr-14 14:44:54

when i said i didn't need a history lessons i was responding to durhamjens post at 17.27.10 she had been responding to my post to iam64 17.02.35 doesn't anyone read through all the posts. thanks jinglbellsfrocks for sticking up for me.

Penstemmon Wed 23-Apr-14 15:04:44

I have been told on posts that I have 'lectured' people. It is not my intention to do that but just to put my view clearly if I feel it has been misinterpreted or else to add a different perspective or specific information. I do not think it matters if someone already knows a lot about a subject because we can all learn something new!

ninny Wed 23-Apr-14 15:18:01

the posts i am referring to were made yesterday my post to iam64 tues 22apr 17.02.35 and durhamjensns post to me 22apr 17.27.10. i realise it appeared out of sequence.

MiceElf Wed 23-Apr-14 15:19:48

I read all the posts, but I think it's wise not to assume that any and every point that is made, will either be know to, or have been considered by, someone else. Ths happens in academic discourse all the time. It isn't pedantry but discussion and debate.

gillybob Wed 23-Apr-14 15:56:08

I very rarey read all of the posts, especially if it is a very long thread. I do read the last few comments and if necessary read backover. I dont think there is anything wrong with this at all, surely its just like any conversation. Those who are in at the start here all of it and sometimes people pop in later on, have their say (or not) and have to be either quickly updated or put right. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion. confused

granjura Wed 23-Apr-14 16:06:51

sad

mcem Wed 23-Apr-14 16:23:17

What on earth was wrong with durhamjen's post at 17. 27.10. It was an interesting snippet of information. I for one knew nothing of this and it's the sort of local history that can have general appeal country-wide. There seemed to be no implication that it was purely directed at ninny -just part of the flow of conversation. I have to say I'd rather read factual info from a well-informed source than snippy and unjustifed comments with no basis in fact. Odd that there are those who take some comments so personally yet feel that they can set themselves up as experts on the political views of others.

Lilygran Wed 23-Apr-14 17:01:06

It probably is a good idea to read through previous posts if the OP suggests there's going to be an argument. Otherwise you are in the same position as someone who just overhears a bit of a conversation. And there are so many people on GN who have specialised expertise and experience that's worth reading - or really good ideas or advice.

ninny Wed 23-Apr-14 17:17:20

I was never bullied at school, never thought when I reached my 60's I would be bullied by a small bunch of left wing grans!

MiceElf Wed 23-Apr-14 17:26:05

Ninny, that's a very serious accusation to make. Would you like to explain your assertion.

Disagreement with your point of view is not bullying.

moomin Wed 23-Apr-14 17:27:54

Good grief!

Penstemmon Wed 23-Apr-14 17:40:29

I often find myself holding a minority view with many people, including longstanding friends, disagreeing with me (not just on GN!) but that is not being bullied it is just holding a minority view and others arguing their side! I don't particularly like it but c'est la vie!

If however they belittled me because of my appearance, racial background, ability etc then that would be a) unkind and if it was persistent & deliberate it would be b) bullying.

I do not think anyone meant to bully you ninny just disagree with your view of things on this occasion.

Ana Wed 23-Apr-14 17:52:27

Telling someone to 'shut up' may not amount to bullying, but it's not exactly just disagreeing with a particular viewpoint either. I'd be upset if I were ninny, too!

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 17:55:34

I know exactly where ninny is coming from! It can sure has hell feel like bullying.

Elegran Wed 23-Apr-14 17:56:01

Rubbish, Ninny, you have not been bullied on Gransnet. If you were bullied at school, then you know just what it is like to be pinned against a wall and your dinner money confiscated, or called filthy names and not allowed to join in with other children, or play with them.

None of that has happened on here. You have an opinion, which you have expressed. Others have different opinions, which they have expressed. I have read this thread over and I can see no bullying.

If you have found a post which seemed to you to be an attack on you, and not on your opinion, then report it to HQ. Every post has a link above it with "Report" on. They will look at the post, and the conversation which led up to it, and if they agree that it was a personal attack, they will contact the poster and tell them so. They are very fair, and do not take sides. Each post is judged on its own content and tone.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 17:58:06

Galen I did try to keep my comment fairly light hearted (whilst meaning what I said) You obviously did not understand that. hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:00:18

And don't call me by that stupid name. Please.

Elegran Wed 23-Apr-14 18:02:22

There has been comment that Ninny may have snapped at Durhamjen because she had had enough of being lectured at. Perhaps Janeainsworth had had enough of Ninny taking posts personally which were meant to be general. If so, then it is six of one and half a dozen of the other.

I don't know all that was in their minds, but it seems to me that a sharp exchange of words has taken place, which should now be over and done with and no need for talk about bullying.

Good grief, does no-one remember what real bullying is like!

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:05:40

I shall say shut up in a minute. So watch it. wink

POGS Wed 23-Apr-14 18:06:31

Oh dear. confused

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:07:34

That was a joke POGS. grin

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:08:27

dragon

MiceElf Wed 23-Apr-14 18:18:46

That comment was in response to Ninny telling someone not to be pedantic and telling them that she didn't need a history lesson. Noting to do with the matter under discussion. If Ninny took exception to the riposte perhaps she shouldn't have made her initial comment. Stick to the matter under discussion and don't instruct other people about what they should or shouldn't do. That way the issues are debated and it doesn't get personal.