This is to be given a fast-track timetable in the Commons, so that MPs can vote on it on 15th July.
Do you think this is right? Less than two weeks to decide on the biggest shakeup since the Act of the Union?
If this goes ahead, no Scottish MP would ever be able to be PM, according to some commentators.
Why was there such a fuss made about Scotland staying in the union when the Government are now wanting to kick Scotland out?
Gerald Kaufman has said that it will undermine the whole basis of British democracy back to the Magna Carta.
Well said Riverwalk
I haven't had the will to read this thread in its entirety but it must rank as one of Gransnet's direst.
Matters with Barnet consequentials affect more than just England, so should indeed be whole-UK discussions and votes. I didn't know that they were considered to be only of concern to England.
This is interesting, and shows how sneaky the government is.
www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/07/08/david-cameron-to-sneak-through-partial-foxhunting-repeal
It will be one of the things the Scots are not allowed to vote on, and there will be a vote a couple of days after Evel goes through.
Did you really vote in such a devious government?
How is David Cameron managing to find ways to push through legislation without consulting parliament?
If he can do that, why are we bothering with parliament at all?
From the politics.co.uk link :
"The use of a statutory instrument means the law could be relaxed immediately after the new vote is held next Thursday.
MPs will be given a free vote on the issue. However, Scottish MPs are set to be excluded as the vote has been tabled just one day after they are due to be excluded from voting on English only legislation."
So Evel is due to come into force next Wednesday, 15th July.
Having raised the subject of the 'Constitution' of English votes for English Laws herself as a question to the PM during PMQ's , Acting Labour Leader Harriet Harman at PMQ's today said:-
" We agree, there's a problem and we agree there needs to be change but it's got to be done properly. Constitutional change has got to be done properly".
The vote yesterday was about process but it looks like Labour , as the PM said , has to get off the fence.
Could Harman's response be an indicator that Labour will vote for change?
It would be strange to hear the Acting Leader of the Labour Party say there is a problem and still vote against it. Once the process and debate time has been sorted amicably it will be interesting to see who votes and how.
Maybe she means it has to be debated properly and not be rushed through in a few days?
FarNorth
No.
She was asking a question initially re the 'process', however, the quote I have put forward of her reply was in answer to a question asked by the PM to her. The question she was responding to was a general question re the basic fairness of English Votes for English Laws.
To be fair she was saying it has to be debated properly and not rushed through.
The statement I posted was in response to another question as I said.
?? I sure am.
I think POGS is trying to say you were right, FarNorth.
No she isn't
I will put it another way. I have obviously not worded my post correctly to make sense. Not sure trying again will work but here goes.
Today at PMQ's Harriet Harman used her time as Opposition Leader to ask the PM a question re the 'process', the 'constitution' , required for EVEL. (English Votes for English Laws.
She said it required more time for debate to get the 'process, the 'constitution correct.
The PM then asked a question of Harriet Harman re the 'general fairness' of the English Vote for English Laws, meaning what is Labours position on the subject.
Her reply to the PM's question on whether or not English Votes for English Laws was fair, the right thing to do she replied:-
" We agree, there's a problem and we agree there needs to be change but it's got to be done properly. Constitutional change has got to be done properly"
In other words she was saying not having English Votes for English Laws is a problem.
Watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. I thought you once posted you do watch PMQ's Durhamjen as a rule, you must have missed today's.
I would think most agree with Harriet, there does need change but it must be done properly with full discussions not rushed in this month
The vote has been postponed until September
And will it be dealt with properly at that time?
Thank you for that explanation, POGS. It has made things much clearer.
When do they come back from their summer break? When do they have their autumn conventions?
Timing will still be interesting.
Has the fox-hunting vote been postponed, too, Anniebach?
It's because they would have lost the vote, when DUP and their own rebels would have voted against. Which means that Labour would have voted against. They are still having the debate next week, but not the vote, although I would not put it past them to table a vote.
Seems the fox hunting vote is still set , they have to push that through after the backing of The Countryside Alliance, very powerful members,
They lost the vote because labour,Libs , SNP, DUP and enough Tories voted against . They have to rewrite much of it.
There will be little time to debate with the summer break due
There is a slight difference to last time round as the vote will be on the same grounds as the law on fox hunting in Scotland which is different to ours I believe.
So the government chooses to follow Scotland , perhaps they will do the same with students fees
" The reality is that you’re more likely to find a swan and unicorn pasty in your local Greggs shop than see the attitude of Cameron’s government be anything other than sly and vindictive when it comes to people on low incomes.
David Cameron favours the idea of a regional minimum wage. This basically means lower, or higher wages for doing the same work, depending on where you live; a kind of postcode lottery for pay if you like.
We need to be extremely cautious over the Scottish National Party’s demand for devolving powers surrounding the minimum wage. This move would bring about an end to the national minimum wage.
The break up of a UK wide national minimum wage could see England and Wales which, as we know has an in-built Tory majority, scuppering any attempt to increase it, driving wages down not up with Scottish MPs barred from taking part in debates or votes which don’t affect Scotland.
The SNP could actually find themselves enabling David Cameron's nightmarish vision of lower pay in some regions, particularly northern (probably Labour-run) constituencies and in the SouthWest where some health trusts tried to break away from national pay bargaining during the last 5 years.
Regional pay would weaken the BFAWU’s ‘Hungry For Justice’ campaign, which is calling for no worker in the UK to be paid less than £10 an hour."
This is a bit worrying if Evel comes in.
What they are saying with fox hunting is that they will not try to repeal the law, just amend it, so that the hounds can chase foxes, which then have to be shot.
Can anyone else see the flaw in this?
It's unlikely that barring Scottish MPs from voting on English laws will affect many of the final outcomes. It'll just make the government's majority look better.
Those are some very worrying thoughts on pay djen. The last thing Scotland's government would want to do is help the Tories in a race to the bottom on pay scales.
Jen, now two hounds can chase a fox, after the vote a pack can and naturally they are so well trained they will chase the fox for miles until it's exhausted then the hounds will stand and wait for the armed ! huntsman to trot up and shoot the fox
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