English Votes for English Laws

I think it will be difficult to police the way a fox is killed. Hounds will have to be called off when their instincts will be telling them to go for the kill.

I can't see it working but if the fox has to die I'd rather leave it to the hounds to do a quick clean kill than a so called 'marksman'

We don't live in a livestock area so I'd be quite happy for the ban to remain but I can see why sheep farmers are keen to have it lifted.

yes, Farnorth, I think I said earlier that not having Scottish votes would only have made a difference in 1% of the votes in 3800 divisions in the house.
I agree that the pay deals will be a real mess.
That's why Cameron should stick to his policy of having a vote within a year, and not trying to push it through even before September.
I also think we should have a referendum on it. We do not really know what he means by English laws. He needs to spell it out to the population.

Maybe the hounds should be muzzled, so they cannot kill the fox. They can just chase it to death instead. It would provide more sport for the huntsmen.
They are the ones who want foxhunting back, after all.

Labour said it wanted £8 an hour by 2020 if they won the election, I think it was in their manifesto pledge.

SNP said £8.75 by 2020, if I am not mistaken? Certainly Stewart Hosie, SNP has not challenged it when interviewed.

How does £9 and hour by 2020 point to the conservatives wanting to lower minimum wage/living wage.

Wrong thread perhaps, POGS?

Answering the 13.51 post.

Too many threads to say the same thing. Not complaining.

Labour's manifesto was £8 by 2019, but that was minimum wage. Jeremy Corbyn says £10 an hour.

£9 an hour by 2020 is not the living wage, which is what Osborne says it is. He is trying to highjack the idea of the living wage without knowing what it really means. He is also cutting tax credits from families before raising the living wage. Have you not been reading about how many families are going to be worse off?

Reported in the Sunday Herald today :

The Tory government says that over the five years of the last Parliament, the Coalition introduced 20 bills, the provisions of which did not extend to Scotland.
The SNP government says 13 (marked *) did apply to Scotland.

2010-2012
Local Government Finance Bill *
Academies Bill
Charities Bill *
Education Bill *
Local Government Bill
Localism Bill *
Police (Detention and Bail) Bill
Sunday Trading (London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games) Bill
Water Industry (FInancial Assistance) Bill

2012-2013
Defamation Bill *
Jobseekers (Back to Work) Schemes Bill *
Mental Health (Approval Functions) Bill *

2013-2014
Criminal Justice & Courts Bill *
High Speed Rail (London - West Midlands) Bill *
Local Audit and Accountability Bill
Northern Ireland Bill *
Rehabilitation Bill *
Wales Bill *
2014-2015
Modern Slavery Bill *
Social Action & Heroism Bill

So if the government had its way, the SNP MPs would not be able to vote on any of these bills, even though they think most of them apply to Scotland as well as England.

Just shows why a proper debate is needed.

I say yes to English votes for English laws!!

Oh good.

As farnorth made clear, most of the areas above have implications for Scotland too.
Where there are no such implications the proposal seems ok to me.

The problem is who decides, mcem. There are no committees including the SNP. They just have to accept what the other committees say.

In FarNorth's list, 13 were said by the Tories to have no implications for the SNP. The SNP disagreed.

Those Bills were said to have no implications for Scotland, rather than for the SNP.
The Scottish Government, which at present is SNP, disagrees and says that Scotland is affected by them.

These are Bills which have already gone through parliament so it is already clear whom they do, or do not, affect.

The suggestion, at present, is that the Speaker will rule on which Bills are English-only, with MPs from outwith England having no say in that decision.

Clearly that would not be a fair arrangement.

How can the government say, just for one example, that the High Speed Rail bill does not affect Scotland?
The amount of money that is to be spent on that comes out of a total pot for the whole of the UK, money that could be spent on improving railways all over the UK if it wasn't being spent on HSR.

So anything regarding England and Wales will be decided by the speaker no matter if it does affect Scotland , well what chance do our forty MP's have against England ?

Sturgeon on radio 4 this morning - reminding the Tories how slim their majority is. Bet they are spitting tacs! Mind you Evel will be pushed even harder as a result.

I thought NC made her point well this morning in spite of the barracking of the journalist. You cannot have two levels of MP in the UK parliament. If DC wants English votes for English law making then he needs an English parliament. The man has gone from being arrogant to bombastic and is trying to treat parliament as his personal fiefdom with little or no mandate to do anything of the sort.

The Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs at Westminster don't take any part in the devolved parliaments. They are in Westminster' as part of the "family" of the UK, as David Cameron called it.

As usual Cameron has put mouth before brain in gear. If elected MP's are banned from voting it's the end of the UK parliment. The queens speech will be something to hear - my government will etc, followed by - a section of my government will etc

durhamjen not sure what you mean by saying there's no SNP representation on committees. Which committees?

I have a feeling that Evel has become such a shambles (just like so much this government has attempted) then it might get quietly be kicked into touch.

If the Westminster mp's are sidelined how is that democratic?. The Tories behave so often like sulky children it is a joke.

A section of my government will.. etc .. unless they've got it wrong and "etc" does affect someone else after all.
The Queen could be giving DC some beady-eyed looks.

I have no problem with English votes for English laws whitewave but that requires an assembly. The UK parliament is for the UK. Obviously, if we did have an English assembly there would have to be an evening out of devolved powers between the Assemblies/Parliaments but it may be something that has to happen now powers are devolved to the other three members of the United Kingdoms.

I have just caught a discussion on this on the BBC - it helped the ironing and the Conservative MP was basically saying that the SNP members should know their place and not oppose the "ruling" party. It takes you back 50 years doesn't it.

The fox-hunting vote is off. They will return to it after the EVEL bill is passed. I do not want EVEL - what do we do?

I wonder what DC is really up to, behind all this confusion that he is throwing in front of us.