Everything to do with the attacks

Good posts whitewave it will be difficult, but certainly not beyond ours and others capabilities, and we need to get on with it.

This idea of 'we mustn't retaliate or there will be a revenge attack' is utter nonsense, all these things are well planned not done in the heat of the moment, and the weaker we ( or any other country) appear to be , then the more, not less, it will happen.

Give me the bombs, give me the weapons. I'll wipe the whole lot out. I'm not sentimental about these atrocities, I'm F.....g livid. We need someone with balls now.

Iam4, if listening to the BBC World news makes me naive beyond your belief so be it.

IS claimed they carried out the attack in Paris because of the bombing on Syria by the French

As to the places chosen for the attacks , a football stadium, concert hall and cafés , more people gathered than in a road of empty shops, easier than a military base too.

It seems that France is unleashing hell on Raqqua obliterating some key ISIS training camps. Good! Needless to say we hope that the beleaguered civilians of that city are unharmed they have had a terrible existence since these vile usurpers took over. I have seen pictures of this city before it descended into hell, and it looked a great place, a blend of different religions living side by side, music in the street and cafe culture where women dressed as they wished. Please God it will return to that one day.

soon, you and I do not worship the same God .

TerriBull, do you think the innocent people were evacuated before the bombs were dropped ? No, they were blown to bits because they were living in the target zone

Granny23. who the hell said the drone killed only jihadi john?

Annie yes there probably are innocents who have been killed but it's the nature of conflict. We can't ensure all good people will forever be kept safe. As unfair and awful this is the ends justify the means in this case for the majority. These people just picked off innocents as they lay helpless in front of them. They only paused to re load. They have to be dealt with.

Jingle, you said - they killed jihadi John not someone's grandfather , I assumed you knew who was killed in that attack, perhaps Granny23 thought the same ?

I know there was another IS member in the vehicle. Doubt if it was anyone's grandfather.

God! What kind of a mind takes things so literally?! I would laugh if I felt in a laughing mood.

What I said Anniebach was that I HOPED that innocent civilians remained unharmed, but unfortunately that wont be the case, any more than it would have been when we bombed Germany during World War II, but should we have just rolled over and let Hitler take over Europe then? ISIS continue to carry out appalling acts of genocide against the indigenous people of Syria they have a hateful mindset. How many times does it have to be pointed out that sympathies are with the oppressed innocent people of the Middle East and loss of life there matters just as much as it does here in Europe, but how else do you stop megalomaniacs hell bent on world domination. Personally if I never saw another picture of another deluded piece of scum, with his/her finger pointed upwards I'd feel mighty relieved, just as I imagine, how a previous generation felt when they knew they wouldn't have to see Hitler ever again delivering one of his hate filled speeches covering everyone with spittle.

And somehow, I don't think a jar of jam could go far make up for the loss of being able to live our lives in the peace and security we in the west have become accustomed to, and are determined to perpetuate.

Vive la France! And Vive all other European cities!

Every civilisation needs to stand up for itself! For all it's flaws, the democratic way of life enjoyed throughout the western world, is far superior to the one that the hate filled ideology that those of the caliphate subscribe to and would wish to impose on us. Let us never forget how they treat women, female children, gay people, apostates, religious minorities, atheists and dissenters generally. It's an abomination!

Yes TerriBull, you did say hope and I am sure you agree it is a hope in vain

I see no point in comparing WW2 with now, we fought a war with Germany, now we want to go to war with the Middle East because it would not be a war against Syria alone

A logical mind Jingle ?

The posts condemning any violence are right, of course they are, but I would like to see posts from those most opposed to any military action against these obsessed murderers with practical and workable suggestions about what THEY would do to counteract the spate of suicide bombs and terrorist attacks in crowded public places.

Not just that they would not attack or kill in return, or harking back to the bad things that have been done in the past by any state, but taking the situation from where it is now. What was done cannot be undone.

What practical and doable actions can we our leaders and representatives take? What to DO? What to SAY to them that would change their mindset?

Turn the other cheek and become martyrs ourselves?

Speak to them of christian peace and love? I don't think they would listen, just say "OK, you can join your God in his heaven."

Let them become our masters - because that is what IS want, an Islamic State where infidels are below second-class?

Get them to negotiate round the diplomatic table? Compromise? No such word in their vocabulary.

Answers on the back of a postcard, and volunteers to actually go and negotiate please form an orderly queue.

You ask questions and supply your own replies Elegran

Of course they will not negotiate with those they see as infidels who lead the sort of life they say they utterly abhore. They would rather die themselves than to compromise.

Why should they, we supply them with all the arms they need

But she is so right Anniebach.

We are not dealing with normality here.

They will not negotiate, they want Europe to become an Islamic state and will not rest until they have succeeded.

My big worry is that we are letting more and more people into this country about whom we know nothing.

I also worry about my children and grandchildren's future in this country. Will they have no choice but to bow down to Islam?

Sorry I should not have said "she" I meant Elegran of course.

Mass graves of Yazidi women in Sinjar! How do we stop this sort of atrocity continuing without any involvement. Perhaps I should add as a precursor, that previous Western involvement in the Middle East no doubt contributed to the state it is in at present, and the whole situation with Middle Eastern politics and how different factions and alliances line up is extremely complex, much more so than the issues that drove the German Third Reich. I do however see a great similarity in the two warped ideologies of both the Nazis and the Islamists whose raison d'etra is or was to expand, dominate and subjugate and therefore see every reason to make a comparison between then and now. No one in their right mind wants a war, but ISIS have clearly stated that they are seeking to expand their territory in the Middle East and then Europe, where we already have the enemy within. Just to clarify that last point I don't mean the Muslim population as a whole, but the minority in the West who would like to live under the caliphate.

Would you be happy living in an Islamic state and under Sharia law, AB ?

Will you be contacting DC to offer your services as an ambassdor for peace, and going to IS HQ to persuade them to live harmoniously with those of a different way of life from themselves? Would you be able to avoid criticising them?

Well, another less ideologically driven group might be willing to negotiate arms or no arms. You have to look at what their aims are.