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Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

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JessM Fri 27-Nov-15 08:30:52

Blair took us into the Iraq war (to keep his American allies happy) and the Middle East was de-stabilised.
Its even more unstable and Cameron seems keen to send bombers there,presumably to keep his EU allies happy (given his negotiations...).
ISIS/DEA-SH thrive on chaos. They are a death cult aimed at hastening the end of the world. (Day of Judgement, Islam style).
Given the chaos in Syria and Iraq with all the different factions on the ground and Russia joining the throng in the air I cannot see why joining in would be either helpful or wise.
The poor civilians on the ground are now in fear of Assad, De-ash/ISIS and the bombs.
Cameron's arguments are thin.
Here are some more arguments on the other side voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/11/27/how-many-innocents-will-die-because-of-right-wing-labours-petulance/
Your MP will be heading back to their constituency to think about this over the weekend.
If you are against the bombing please, please write to your MP.
You can use this very easy site. You just type in your postcode and the site will ensure that your MP gets your email. They will be getting lots of emails on the subject so there is no need to be long-winded, so it's a 5 minute task. www.writetothem.com

trisher Mon 30-Nov-15 10:07:51

Thanks for the link JessM- letter to MP written. I think it is absolutely ludicrous that we are even considering bombing. Given that someone is buying IS oil, someone is providing them with weapons and we will then be using more weapons to destroy them SOMEONE is benefitting from this.

rosequartz Mon 30-Nov-15 10:10:01

annie I thought you meant that Corbyn was enjoying every minute of the decision making and dissension in the ranks re the Syria issue, not the whole being leader thing.
I thought it was re that particular issue, that is why I found it worrying.

Stressful, worrying, using every ounce of his persuasive powers - yes - but not 'enjoyable' surely?
Unless he is feeling detached from reality - which is what stress can do in fact.

Of course his name keeps popping up - he is leader of the opposition and crucial to which way the vote goes.
It would be odd if his name did not pop up!

JessM Mon 30-Nov-15 10:13:21

Yes quite jings. Antler waving AKA display of macho power. Understandable yes. Wise and considered, no.

Luckygirl Mon 30-Nov-15 10:13:34

" Britain must do something positive to protect ourselves."

Indeed so. But it must do the wisest thing, not what it is dragged into by others, or is a knee-jerk reaction to an atrocity, or what will engender more radicalization, or will create martyrs, or will kill innocent people to no avail, or will fuel the refugee crisis, or.............

The only way to protect ourselves is to enter into a dialogue with muslim communities here in the UK and around the world and to use enhanced professional intelligence services to pinpoint the ringleaders and bring them to justice (in whatever form is appropriate at the time).

jocelyne Mon 30-Nov-15 10:20:05

TerriBull has express my view very clearly and coherently, thank you for that. I also agree with Luckygirl, bombs are not the answer....and imagine if we were to spend all the money the bombs are costing us in helping the Syrian population to survive and develop ?

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 10:21:41

whitewave I just got lucky as I was the first person along to think of ittchgrin

mollie Mon 30-Nov-15 11:25:09

No. But I don't have an alternative solution and can we, in all conscience, sit back and do nothing?

POGS Mon 30-Nov-15 11:28:47

Lucky girl

The statement you make in your last sentence is happening. There have been so many interviews, discussions, debates on exactly that point , even parliament on a regular basis says the same.

The point is it has not stopped IS from recruiting UK citizens, it has not stopped the 7 thwarted attacks on UK soil from happening, that was down to intelligence and luck , it has not stopped those who are ideologically driven to destroy the UK. At best it will diminish the numbers, the brain washing but it will not protect the UK.

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:05:19

Rosequartz, I listened again to the interview this morning , many questions on Syria all answered calmly and without any mention of enjoying it

Final question from Marr

there is talk about movements against you as leader ,colleagues trying to get legal advise to stop you standing as leader.

And your not going anywhere

Corbyn

I was elected by the members and so I am not going anywhere, I am enjoying it

So you are mistaken to claim the reply was anything to do with the interview on the bombing and security, it was a direct answer to a direct question on him giving up as leader of the Labour Party. You can check on catch up BBC

Ana Mon 30-Nov-15 12:13:20

He actually said 'I'm enjoying every moment of it.'

whitewave Mon 30-Nov-15 12:18:24

Get it correct annietbgrin

Ana Mon 30-Nov-15 12:34:30

Yes - there's a subtle difference! wink

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 12:40:32

tbwink tbwink
Anyone else think these hats look a bit Tweedledee and Tweedledum?

petra Mon 30-Nov-15 12:40:53

Anniebach. I'm amazed that with all the 'stuff' that you must read that you are unaware that there are named leaders of IS. It wasn't that long ago that one of the women that was 'given' to the leader escaped and told her story.
They are based in Iraq.

rosesarered Mon 30-Nov-15 12:43:23

True, Petra I thought that everyone on here and interested in world affairs would know that. Any group has leaders, in all cases.

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:52:35

Sorry to have caused you to be amazed Petra, doesn't take much to amaze you though hmm

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:56:13

whitewave, my shorthand is not so good these days , I really must take more care grin

Gosh some have developed a every word by Corbyn obsession, most unhealthy in my opinion , worrying

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 12:57:55

Seems even you are not always right rosesarered , don't let it trouble you, it's called being human

Ana Mon 30-Nov-15 13:03:41

Oh, you're such a wit, Anniebach! tbgrin

Tegan Mon 30-Nov-15 13:06:40

Do I detect a note of sarcasm in that comment tbgrin?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 30-Nov-15 13:20:32

tbshock

I could have never remembered the name of old Alibahabha without googling it! By golly! We've got some clever clogs on here!!! tbgrin

Anniebach Mon 30-Nov-15 13:35:52

Surely not Tegan, not on this forum shock

POGS Mon 30-Nov-15 14:11:56

Jingle

Not really clever clogs just interested in understanding the subject to make a comment.

wink

rosequartz Mon 30-Nov-15 14:39:04

We got rid of Hussain but are still bombing Iraq
I think that statement needs clarification - it is not specific enough.

Rather:
'We got rid of Hussein and are now bombing ISIL in their strongholds in Iraq.'

Of course, because there was no post-Iraq war policy so a vacuum was left which has been filled. Bush and Blair at fault again.

rosequartz Mon 30-Nov-15 14:42:14

Rosequartz, I listened again to the interview this morning , many questions on Syria all answered calmly and without any mention of enjoying it

I didn't listen to it (although DH had it on in the other room), so I only took your word for it anniebach and misunderstood what you said he was enjoying.
Pax.