What ideas are there instead of bombing?

soontobe, he meant that as his MPs had not been 'told' how to vote (i.e. been whipped) then they couldn't hide behind that and pretend, or let it be believed, that maybe they wouldn't have voted that way left to their own devices.

Whipping can involve blackmail, promises of promotion , threats of demotion , this has been said by MP's

soontobe The Parliamentary Whip has its origins in foxhunting - when all those who aspired to be MPs were familiar with hunting and in how the Master for Hounds (in charge of the hounds, and obeyed by them because, among other things, he supplied their dinner) would control them. I suppose it was a kind of joke that someone controlled them when it was an important vote that their party leader wanted to win.

There are one-line whips, two-line whips and three-line whips. If something is underlined three times then they know that they are expected to vote the "right" way (or the left way if it is for a left-wing party) or they will be obviously out of step with the party line.

It doesn't have to have any bullying involved - it is to acquaint the rank and file MPs with the official party intention on that subject. Any bullying is/should be forbidden. Anyone who seems to be often out of step with party policy would probably realise quite soon that they perhaps have joined the wrong lot.

Shades of "House of Cards"!

Elegran - you might very well think that, I couldn't possibly comment .

But who lives by the sword shall die by the sword (or the Whip)

I still dont understand what it means by no hiding place from whipping. As reosequartz says on another thread, it can have at least 3 meanings.

And possibly more, those three were just my interpretation of 'no hiding place' in that particular context.

I think if an MP defies the Whip that is probably their chances of any promotion gone! If there is no Whip, as there was no Labour Whip for this vote, the MPs can vote with their conscience - but of course the leadership will know who voted which way and if they vote differently to the leadership there is 'no hiding place'. Chances of promotion gone or demotion in a few weeks and possible de-selection apparently.

It may have been a very clever ploy by JBC to allow his MPs a free vote. In that way he can sort out quite simply who disagrees with him, they may eventually be deselected and he may get the type of party he wants without the moderates.

But I thought he was supposed to be a man of the utmost integrity! Surely he wouldn't employ such sly and underhand methods just to get his own way...?

Heard on Radio that JC is going to have a very busy Christmas re-jigging his Shadow Cabinet. And then a very quiet New Year.

Rational decision. In order To move forward he needs a shadow cabinet that can work together, whatever you think of his political persuasion

True.

He used to be a sit down and talk things through type of guy. Reach a consensus even if you were there a very long time. Sounds like he has had enough of that. He doesnt have time for one thing.

[Smile] isn't it lovely being nice to each other in this season of goodwill?

Sigh!

We usually are nice to each other. Best if you don't draw attention to the occasional pleasantness by dwelling on the spats, it just stirs everyone up.

So much I can learn from soon about Corbyn ,

True so true

He needs a Shadow Cabinet without too much dissension and a party without too much plotting against him if he is to achieve anything.
I didn't say I disagreed with him if that was his aim.
cheers

So much I can learn from soon about Corbyn
well, it's best to have a balanced viewpoint I always think

soon, perhaps we stood next to each other on the anti war in Iraq campaign, or during a rally in support of the miners strike. Or even the annual Durham miners rally . I know not in Michael Foot's house or any annual Labour Party conference or even when he was on the hustings in Wales

True rosequartz, aw soon will be of no help then

JC did used to be like that. He has had to change on that too. You are not actually saying he wasnt. You are not actually disagreeing with what I have written. Just diverting again

And mocking again

I know not in Michael Foot's house
That's really showing off now, anniebach
Anyway, when did soon mention Michael Foot, what did I miss?

I feel like singing that old song 'Lloyd George knew my father, father knew Lloyd George'
Except I could sing 'Jeremy's Mum was my teacher, my teacher was Jeremy's Mum'

Any more black cats anyone?

soon he even looks more 'presentable' now, doesn't he! Note the new haircut too. He is beginning to look more 'Establishment'.

(ducks for cover from other posters)
I'm off before I cause any more trouble anyone gets upset

Not showing off rosequartz, just trying to recall the places I met Corbyn and where soon could have too , I have always said Michael and Jill were family friends . My father didn't know Lloyd George, he was a friend of Ny Bevan, I have a photograph of me - beautiful baby - with Ny and Jennie