Trump - just not fringe or funny anymore !?!

Over half as million people are telling the government that we do not want him here. You would think that would count for something.

He is losing business hand over fist at the moment.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trumps-problem-he-doesnt-go-far-enough-a6768491.html

Mark Steel's take on it.
Trump's latest is that he has called for mandatory capital punishment for all cop killers.

And if you are in Scotland, you should be grateful to him.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nicola-sturgeon-joins-calls-for-donald-trump-to-be-banned-from-the-uk-a6768461.html

Try to see the documentary 'You've Been Trumped', Anthony Baxter, 2011, which exposes Trump's bullying and riding roughshod over the local people in the area of Aberdeenshire where he constructed his golf resort. Then you will see just what the Scots have to be grateful for.

Unfortunately I cannot see it without buying the DVD.
What is worrying is that a body language expert has analysed him and says he really believes what he is saying!

As someone said the other day- just shows we do need immigrants to do the jobs (yuk...doesn't bear thinking about) locals just won't contemplate (sorry, cheap)
foreign workers have always done jobs that locals won't do, though. Students grape-picking in France, backpackers working on the farms in Australia, working in bars, hotels, etc (although in Oz they are paid a fair wage and a contribution to their pension fund which is returned to them if they leave the country!).
The locals won't do some of the jobs there and if they do take them, they fail to turn up, won't work hard and are often hungover.

Not quite the same, roseq. Students going away to have a working holiday is not the same as immigrants moving anywhere to have a decent standard of living. Not quite the same as immigrants working to clean the government offices for less than the living wage and having to take two or three jobs to make ends meet.
Anyway, I think granjura was being ironic.

thatbags I think I do get what you mean about the group collective thing. It's not something I would do without giving some thought.

durhamjen that piece by Mark Steel did make me laugh and i have passed it on to a couple of people.

Just about to watch HIGNFY. I wonder if Trump will be mentioned?

ahahha he is!

No, I see the difference; however, many go for two or more years and in order to obtain a second year working visa in Australia, they have to do farm work, at least three months.
Some endure awful conditions (not on DD's farm I might add, where they are treated well and given decent, clean accommodation).

Although a lot of immigrants came here and took those jobs because conditions and pay were better than in their own countries (and still managed to send money home).

Trump was mentioned on HIGNFY, and Paul Merton suggested they should stop giving him publicity by talking about him and move on to the next question.

According to several fascism experts, Trump isn't a fascist.

As Roger Griffin, who is a professor of history and political theory at Oxford Brookes University, and author of a book called The nature of Fascism, puts it: "You can be a total xenophobic racist male chauvinist bastard and still not be a fascist."

A healthy democracy ought to be able to cope with that however much we'd rather not have to.

If you think Trump is scary - just have a look at the Tea Party web site.
www.teaparty.org/Some of their stuff is truly terrifying. And looking at some of their "news" reports, not entirely true?

www.facebook.com/StephenLloydEBN/posts/1685814001694228

This expresses so well much of what I think many of us feel.
I particularly like the reference to Trump's "truthisms" I.e.things which are FALSE, made up, but for many people somehow "feel right". His tosh about no- go areas in London clearly has had that effect on soontobe for one.

This man is not to be underestimated alas, he is a gurning buffoon, he talks up many people's secret fears, but although we have seen that before in the 1930's we need to learn from history, and the rabble rousing which strikes a chord with the Redneck Republicans must be countered with sound and reasoned comment like this article and stopped

The plot thickens (or should that be the thick one plots?) Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent?

Elegran that's a scary theory, as it could backfire given the level of xenophobia in the USA. Also, I'd tend to think Trump wasn't so much of a Democrat 'plant' as a 'dupe' given his lack of intelligence.

Could he be a Daesh plant, fifth columning to draw the US into giving them an excuse for more atrocities? No, surely they would pick someone more believable . . .

Elegran that BBC link is like something out of a Jeffery Archer novel - and scarily has a ring of truth!

Alea Stephen Lloyd was a good MP and he's written a good piece there.

Does history repeat itself?!

Anyone see Question Time tonight? Trump has friends who say do not underestimate him. They also said that if we ban him, more will vote for him. Jacob Rees-Mogg and Piers Morgan both said that.

Government response to the petition.

"For good reasons the Government does not routinely comment on individual immigration and exclusion decisions.

The Home Secretary may exclude a non-European Economic Area national from the UK if she considers their presence in the UK to be non-conducive to the public good.

The Home Secretary has said that coming to the UK is a privilege and not a right and she will continue to use the powers available to prevent from entering the UK those who seek to harm our society and who do not share our basic values.

Exclusion powers are very serious and are not used lightly. The Home Secretary will use these powers when justified and based on all available evidence.

The Prime Minister has made clear that he completely disagrees with Donald Trump’s remarks. The Home Secretary has said that Donald Trump’s remarks in relation to Muslims are divisive, unhelpful and wrong.

The Government recognises the strength of feeling against the remarks and will continue to speak out against comments which have the potential to divide our communities, regardless of who makes them. We reject any attempts to create division and marginalisation amongst those we endeavour to protect."

Anyone else find it as hypocritical as I do?
Maybe they do not mean they are endeavouring to protect all in the UK.

Think they mean any Muslim making verbal attacks on non Muslims will not be allowed into this country but any white, non Muslim making verbal attacks on Muslims are allowed in this country

I don't find it remotely hypocritical. It strikes me as a well-judged response to a difficult situation engendered by a clown running for the US Presidency and a pretty mindless petition on a level with students wanting to ban Germaine Greer.

In his case, general ridicule is a better weapon than heavy-handed bureaucracy. They are saying "Yes we know this man is a tit, but we are not going to give him the publicity of banning him."

"We reject any attempts to create division and marginalisation amongst those we endeavour to protect."

That's what I find hypocritical.
They want to create all the division and marginalisation themselves.

Or was that a pretty mindless studentish comment?

Are you asking that question re 'pretty mindless student comments' about your post ?

Or making yet another term of reference to David Cameron to continue your personal view?

Very difficult to decide when two posts that follow each other make a statement but then begs a question .