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Justin Welby

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petra Fri 11-Mar-16 15:53:50

I'm sure most of you have read in the news what Justin Welby has to say about immigration.
I've just read this quote on another Forum, it's from George Orwell.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

Anniebach Tue 22-Mar-16 19:46:22

Really Rosesarered, yet he got flack on this forum for saying we were not taking in a fair number of immigrants, he was mocked for offering a house

petra Tue 22-Mar-16 20:15:14

Anniebach. I think that was before he saw the light. As in not taking in more migrants.

Ana Tue 22-Mar-16 20:18:35

Yvette Cooper and Nichola Sturgeon offered to house migrants. Have they?

durhamjen Tue 22-Mar-16 20:39:23

He didn't say that, petra. He said fearing migration is not racist, but we could do more to help and take in more than the 20,000 over the next five years.
Strange how people read what they want into comments, and miss the most important bits.

Penstemmon Wed 23-Mar-16 08:31:36

I love the vibrancy of London's multilingual/cultural feel. It is amazing to sit on the tube and count how many different languages you hear. Some are people who have emigrated to the UK and some are tourists. It is the same in most capital / big cities in Europe. The issue of how a society manages the infrastructure to meet the needs of the citizens (old and new) is something we should be discussing without fear. If there is a sudden rise in demand because of world situations if the systems had been well managed and strategically planned in the first place it would be less of an issue. We must discuss peoples/our fears of work/health/education but we need to do it without being hateful and bitter to those in desperate circumstances. There are many economic migrants from all over the world, including white Christian 'first world' countries. They also live in houses go to shools and GPs etc. Unfortunately we deem unable to look at immigration dispassionately and the immigrants who "are not like us" are the ones who the media target and end up fuelling racist attitudes that then make legitimate isdues difficult to raise.

petra Wed 23-Mar-16 12:22:53

Penstemmon. It's ok to talk about these 'issues' now because Saint Anthony has deemed it so ( in the news yesterday) funny that he didn't think it was ok when in power. Same as Gorden Brown when he called that lady a bigot when she spoke up about her concens with immigration.

Penstemmon Thu 24-Mar-16 23:47:17

It is always important to discuss difficult issues. The trick is to do it with compassion, knowledge and without anger!

If we can only see one perspective, have only part of the information and are just ranting in frustration/fear/anger it does not get heard and can lead to accusations of bigotry,even if it is not meant that way! So best not play into the hands of those who want to shut down legitimate debate.

No political party has a clean sheet in this area so best we draw a line and look forward and become solution directed and not hate fuelled!