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This Government has definitely lost the plot

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whitewave Sat 26-Mar-16 08:41:39

This has been mentioned on another thread, but I think it is important enough to warrant a thread of its own.

Farm animals are no longer to be protected by welfare codes. These are to scrapped by this government.

What sort of message is that giving to those farmers whose priority is not the animal welfare?

I despair! What is the matter with them. What else are they going to not care about?

I am not vegetarian, but worry about the meat I do eat and so always buy organic free range as I feel it is the best I can do if I eat the animal.

This can't be right.

Welshwife Sat 26-Mar-16 08:54:02

Had not see that whitewave - dreadful thing if it happens. It also makes you a wonder what they have up their sleeves is there is no EU protection for workers.

whitewave Sat 26-Mar-16 09:02:15

Self regulation never works. It leads to food scandals as well as poor conditions for the animals.

Anniebach Sat 26-Mar-16 09:54:28

Best to turn veggie . Stand by for another foot and mouth outbreak

Luckygirl Sat 26-Mar-16 10:14:58

I am not heavily into fighting for animal welfare and some of its extremes - but I do think that the humane care of farm animals is part of a civilised society and that abolishing the proper independent monitoring of this is a retrograde step to be deplored.

daphnedill Sat 26-Mar-16 12:04:28

Apparently the code is being revoked on 27 April

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/mar/25/government-planning-to-repeal-animal-welfare-codes

Anniebach Sat 26-Mar-16 12:21:28

I am into fighting for animal welfare, they feel pain, fear, discomfort and like us too they bleed

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 16:36:43

I mentioned it on another thread, but I agree, it's important enough to have a thread of its own.

www.viva.org.uk national day of action on Saturday 23rd April.
Faceoff, about the cruelty involved in the British pig industry. That was before this was known about.

obieone Sat 26-Mar-16 20:12:20

Bad idea.

Gracesgran Sat 26-Mar-16 20:19:06

Lucky girl you have said exactly what I feel. It's a given that we are a humane as we can be. This is an abrogation of our responsibility and it is not done in my name. I certainly didn't have any idea this was what they would do.

Deedaa Sat 26-Mar-16 21:32:43

It's the fact that all this stuff goes through without our knowledge.

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 21:41:14

There were about half a dozen similar things put through just as parliament broke up for Easter.
They act like kids. Another one is the selloff of the land registry again.
It was stopped not so long ago, and they have put it up for sale again.

Anniebach Sat 26-Mar-16 21:43:50

If we are as humane as we can be why did it take so long to bring some changes to factory farming, transported calves packed in lorries across the channel and other protests which took place and still are, now we will have to start again.

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 21:48:24

It's still not through yet, Annie.

Penstemmon Sat 26-Mar-16 22:01:03

I think that is why Tesco and other supermarkets are putting cosy Farm names on their products (I know it is another thread) I suspect they knew this was on the cards and were preparing the way to try and gain consumer confidence and loyalty.

Anniebach Sat 26-Mar-16 23:12:34

True Jen I should have said if it happens we will have to start again , I just hope it doesn't

durhamjen Sun 27-Mar-16 08:56:33

It wasn't mentioned in the article in the Guardian, but I wonder if it has anything to do with TTIP.
British farm standards at the moment are much higher than US ones. That's one of the reasons that MEPs want us to stay in Europe and fight against TTIP.
If TTIP is passed, American companies will be able to sue the UK for not importing foods with GM, or other foods that do not adhere to our standards. Not that all British ones do, as you will see if you go on the www.viva.org.uk website, but at least we can prosecute those companies that break the law at the moment.

durhamjen Sat 02-Apr-16 09:56:36

secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/m/74c070eb/2d1c5aab/6e1996ad/46270708/2878908552/VEsF/

A petition on 38 degrees to Elizabeth Truss to try and stop it. They can't say the people voted for this.

We can but hope they will see sense. Some red tape we need.

obieone Sat 02-Apr-16 10:46:17

I most certainly do not want American food. Very mass produced, and quality very low.

JessM Mon 04-Apr-16 09:28:07

The poultry industry is not known for voluntarily improving standards. Cheap chicken meat and cheap eggs are mass produced very intensively. This brings with it risks to animal welfare and human health. I'd worry that the industry has not done a great job on eliminating things like campylobacter and that voluntary regulation sounds dodgy. The industry had obviously been lobbying for this and it is not because they care about the feelings of the hens.

Teetime Mon 04-Apr-16 09:31:00

I didn't know this I'm surprised it didn't come up on Countryfile last night or indeed The Archers (not being frivolous they often deal with serious farming issues). I think its appalling. I shall be even more careful about what I buy now.

whitewave Mon 04-Apr-16 10:27:12

If it is correct about TTIP, then the farmers in the UK are missing an excellent selling point.

Our poultry could be marketed in the States as coming from the highest welfare with the animals treated with respect and care. There would undoubtedly be a big market for this type of product, and there is the money to afford it.

Why aim for the lowest common denominator?

gangy5 Mon 04-Apr-16 10:52:22

You are so right Deeda about legislation going through without our knowledge. I apologise for this going slightly off course but as it is we are complaining that we have little control over legislation passed in the European Parliament. Such a pity we can't trust our own politicians.

obieone Mon 04-Apr-16 10:52:58

Pretty sure British farmers do sell their goods as premium quality. But premium quality is not what the majority wants.

daphnedill Thu 07-Apr-16 21:47:27

Another U turn!

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/07/ministers-abandon-plan-to-scrap-farm-animal-welfare-codes-chicken-farming