The EU - we are on the home straight folks!

Blimey, you don't have to read the link, the title says it all - 'bewildered' indeed! Well down to your usual standard of patronising insult, dj.

I don't think you care at all about alienating more than half ( it certainly is the majority)
Of Gransnetters Djen you see life in a simple black and white.

Owen Jones IS inarticulate, his sentences are disjointed and rambling.

Thank God it has improved but it still exists

"Geoffrey Edwards is Senior Fellow in the Department and Emeritus Reader in European Studies. He is also an Emeritus Fellow of Pembroke College, Cambridge. He has held research posts at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and a number of other institutions including the Federal Trust and Chatham House. He specialises in the European Union, its institutions and its foreign and security policies.

In the Department he teaches courses on European in the World, its Security and Foreign Policy and on the Politics of European Integration. He has also taught on the papers on European integration and British politics at undergraduate level. His recent publications have focused on the EU's foreign policy with articles on European diplomacy, security culture, the EU's foreign policy and the impact of the new Member States, on the EU's Neighbourhood Policy, on EU-Gulf relations and on the EU Counter-terrorist policies."

This is the man who wrote the article.

No, I'm not aware that all the laws are as a result of European Legislation, though I do applaud those that have come from Europe, as I said earlier.

I am aware of the part this country has contributed to conservation etc. through organisations like the RSPB and other charities who receive public funding. And I'm aware that when I was studying there were already area under protection for their natural beauty, diversity and of special scientific interest before we joined the EU - indeed before we even joined the Common Market, 1950s if I remember correctly.

Public bodies such as JNCC receives most of its funding as grant-in-aid from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) and the devolved administrations. It is accountable through those administrations to the UK parliament and devolved legislatures.

So it is unlikely that we will suddenly be plunged into environmental chaos should we withdraw from the EU.

Why do so many seriously think that without funding from Europe we are unable to do things for ourselves......?

We DO pay substantial sums into the EU coffers. How much I don't know (does anyone?) but I know it is not peanuts. So despite silly claim and counter-claim by both sides it in indisputable we will have more cash for 'home improvements'

Jen gives her views, she doesn't pick and choose which forum members to nit pick on, if only all were like her Rosesarered

Oh yes, we could do with many more!

Perhaps some of you think this is a good reason for staying in.
Never going abroad or using a mobile phone it doesn't matter to me, but I'm sure it does to those who go abroad. I've heard horrific stories about mobile charges from the EU.

fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-reduced-roaming-charges/

Ha, ha!

This is about students and free movement of people. If brexit win, this could change, which in my opinion, would be a shame.

theconversation.com/eu-students-do-very-well-out-of-studying-in-the-uk-brexit-might-scupper-that-59950

We definitely gain from having students come here and our students going to other EU countries. I have noticed that the number of EU students applying to the UK has already decreased because of the uncertainty. Of course that also applies to commonwealth students as well.

www.rspb.org.uk/joinandhelp/campaignwithus/referendum/index.aspx

RSPB wants us to stay in the EU.

For once Djen I DID read this article ( that you say 'epitomises ' the Gransnet thinking on Brexit) I'm amazed you should be so rude as to say that to so many on here.The article is plain wrong, and is a typical example of academic ivory tower thinking.We are certainly not bewildered,or nostalgic or uncomfortable.It suits various people both in RL and on the forum to be arrogant, lofty and patronising in order to discredit the other view.
You may be proud of 'telling it like it is' ( in your view!) but you never seem to think about how others perceive your posts.

A very important report by the environmental bodies into the EU.

www.rspb.org.uk/Images/eureferendum_tcm9-420099.pdf

Boris and his father argue about this. His father is an environmentalist and wants us to stay in.

Owen Jones disjointed and inarticulate? He managed in the short time he was given. to get across his beliefs about direct action and TTIP, the very real threat to human rights and the NHS and the consequences of Brexit. Frank Field was given much more time and rambled and repeated himself.

His sentences are broken up ( trains of thought) he is always difficult to follow when he is 'put on the spot'.

DJ it does not say that at all ....that is blatent something or other

Quite from your link "The European Union can have huge effects on our nature and environment. Sometimes these are positive, sometimes less so...." it then goes on outline two case studies one for 'positive' and one for 'less so'

It cites how the CAP was responsible for destroying habitats and causing the decline or extinction of species.

How can we trust what you say in future? AT LEAST I acknowledged the good the EU has done - my views are tempered by logic and looking at both siders of the issue, unlike yours.

I am shocked

Sorry that should read 'quote from your link'

www.rspb.org.uk/community/ourwork/b/martinharper/archive/2016/06/02/guest-blog-the-balance-of-risk-means-nature-is-safer-in-the-eu.aspx

From the RSPB chief executive.

"However, no-one from the “Leave” campaign has yet been able to reassure us that we wouldn’t need to start again from scratch were we to leave the EU. What will happen to nature in the meantime? Recent calls from supporters of “leave” to scrap the Nature Directives – which have been proven to work so effectively where properly implemented – are of great concern."

From the article.

Do you have problems following Owen Jones, trisher? I don't.

rosesarered He speaks passionately and with emphasis. If you have difficulty following his argument perhaps it is because he speaks quite quickly. Or maybe it is his accent that makes you class him as inarticulate?

"The choice for the electorate in the EU referendum is between austerity and more austerity – no other alternative is on offer. This sorry state of affairs reflects badly on the state of economic and political debate in Britain. It highlights, in short, the way in which this debate is hemmed in by a narrow agenda that ultimately supports the status quo.

The referendum should be an opportunity to challenge conventional wisdom, including the government’s approach to managing the economy. In reality, it provides the opposite – a vote for continuity, and with it, an austere future. The people of Britain, and of the EU, deserve better."

Hopefully Cameron and Osborne will have been given such a fright that they might change.
Cloud cuckoo land, I know.

From this article.

theconversation.com/forget-brexit-austerity-is-far-worse-for-the-uk-economy-60346