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A thread for those who are voting OUT of the EU to make it fair

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practical Wed 01-Jun-16 16:10:53

I have done hours of research and if we vote stay in then Junker ect will clamp down immediately and we will have the euro which is a failing currency already plus we will have no protection against flooding the country with immigrants.

rosesarered Sun 05-Jun-16 13:11:01

Corbyn has been the invisible man in this referendum.

rosesarered Sun 05-Jun-16 13:11:46

or, the Scarlet Pimpernel.... they seek him here, they seek him there!

durhamjen Sun 05-Jun-16 13:15:08

northeastlabour.eu/jeremy-corbyn-backs-north-east-eu-membership

Welshwife Sun 05-Jun-16 13:15:40

Wales is another area which has a net benefit from the EU coffers - has done for years as was/is an Option 1 area as maybe the NE is.

Gracesgran Sun 05-Jun-16 13:17:17

"Seems as though trisher hasn't either." Not sure who or what that relates to Ana

"Well why doesn't Corbyn come out and say it then, instead of leaving people to 'imagine' what his though processes are?"

Corbyn is saying Ana. I am horrified that journalists are being so lazy. One was talking, I think it was on Sky News, yesterday and complaining to an "in" person that "Corbyn doesn't do interviews". The interviewee then said he was out talking to "people" and the journalist should go and see. Journalist replied "well he knows our number" - just plain lazy in my view. It is their job to find the news not expect it to come to them!

harrigran Sun 05-Jun-16 13:17:27

The north east has a net benefit because your Mep tells you so, of course they will, vested interest.

durhamjen Sun 05-Jun-16 13:18:00

Corbyn was in Cardiff yesterday, and gave a speech about jobs and workers rights.
Where do you live, Ana? Wales, isn't it?

nigglynellie Sun 05-Jun-16 13:20:48

That's because he's such a reluctant remainer almost to the point of foolishness after 30 years of vehement opposition, so keeping a very low profile is the least embarrassing position to take!!! It just proves that even someone as committed as he clearly was can change their minds if expediency requires! If he can change his opinion so easily and so quickly(!) over this, then he clearly can over anything else, so, no more trustworthy or truthful than the next politician!! Quite a disappointment really, but no surprise!!!

daphnedill Sun 05-Jun-16 13:24:33

The North East IS a net benificiary of EU funding, not because your MEPs (one of whom is UKIP) tells you so, but because it's a fact. The details are on the EU accounts site.

durhamjen Sun 05-Jun-16 13:25:53

Come off it, harrigran. If you know otherwise, show us.

daphnedill Sun 05-Jun-16 13:26:23

@nigglenellie

So what? The referendum isn't about personalities or personal opinions. It's not yet another opportunity to have a go at Corbyn or his suitablity to lead a party.

sunseeker Sun 05-Jun-16 13:26:46

granjura I have now looked this up. If a member of the EU wants to work in Switzerland for more than 3 months they have to apply for a residence permit. They have to provide valid id or passport, copy of a rental agreement, passport photo, employment contract or accounting records to prove they can earn a living. If they apply for benefits they immediately lose their right to remain in Switzerland. Residence permit will only be granted if they have sufficient finances to cover their living expenses. This is somewhat different to the free movement of people within the EU.

Gracesgran Sun 05-Jun-16 13:32:05

"The north east has a net benefit because your Mep tells you so, of course they will, vested interest."

What did you hope to achieve by that comment harrgran. There are statistics; it is not unreasonable (if fact I would have thought it mandatory) for an MEP to know at least those relating to their own area and to be prepared to share them. I am sure you will now say you are being bullied but if you make statements like that you really must expect them to be challenged.

Welshwife Sun 05-Jun-16 13:36:13

There are residency rules which the UK could implement to not allow some EU migrants to remain - and it is not just those violent criminals - but they choose not to do it. It is because of a similar rule that France can elect not not to pay benefits to some EU migrants as well - they choose to implement the rule. Not their fault the UK does not do this.

Alea Sun 05-Jun-16 13:40:26

That sounds very reasonable and practicable sunseeker. Do we have similar regulations?

nigglynellie Sun 05-Jun-16 13:44:17

I haven't said whether JC is or is not suitable to lead the Labour party; I've just pointed out that when push comes to political shove he is exactly the same as any other politician whatever their party credentials. He's just joined the happy band of self serving politicians that's all, otherwise why change previous deeply held views at the blink of an eye?! How can anyone now be certain that other deeply held views won't also be abandoned if it seems appropriate. The end justifying the means?! They all do it, and he's clearly no different.

durhamjen Sun 05-Jun-16 13:46:09

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/3-best-quotes-from-jeremy-corbyns-eu-speech/vi-BBrKYM3

For those of you who have missed Corbyn's speeches.

petra Sun 05-Jun-16 13:58:07

Sunseeker Same in Spain, same in Bulgaria where every year we had to show our bank statements and private medical insurance to prove that we could afford to live there. Totally agree, it's not the migrants fault, but the fault of successive governments.

Ana Sun 05-Jun-16 14:25:14

I live absolutely nowhere near Cardiff, durhamjen.

durhamjen Sun 05-Jun-16 14:34:46

Well, I'm sure you can find out other places he's visiting if you really want to, Ana.
I haven't seen him in person either, but I have seen some of his speeches. I have also very kindly given you a link to some of them. You cannot say he is invisible and that you do not know what he is saying.
Unless, of course, you haven't looked at them. In which case, your loss, but don't complain about not knowing what he stands for.

Ana Sun 05-Jun-16 14:41:56

I think you'll find it was another poster who said he was invisible, but don't let that stop you having a dig.

nigglynellie Sun 05-Jun-16 15:06:07

What does he stand for?! It's hard to say, when he so vehemently stood for 'out' for so long and now apparently doesn't! I think he must feel completely confused - don't we all!!! confused

Firecracker123 Sun 05-Jun-16 15:54:59

Corbyn's a hypocrite.

nigglynellie Sun 05-Jun-16 16:16:52

He's a politician!! and as honest and dishonest as the next one!

Welshwife Sun 05-Jun-16 16:26:12

Maybe just looking at the facts and weighing things up he decided now was not the time to leave and the Uk is actually far better staying in the EU - to change your mind when you are public figure actually takes courage - no one could say he has his eye on the top Labour job as he already has it!

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