Could Labour 'split'. Tom Watson calls off talks.

Trisher, it doesn't matter, I want Corbyn out and so have no choice but to vote for Smith I had hoped Angela Eagle would have been a choice. If Smith were to win the leadership -which he will not - he could bring the party together, we will not win the next election so eight years for a strong leader to emerge , most I can hope for.

Sadly Corbyn will win, looking more and more like a Hugh Hefner than a politician for all ages

I agree about harm already having been done to the Labour Party.
It is in the midst of it's own civil war[if that isn't tto strong a phrase].

Personally I have always thought that younger people on the whole, change their minds quite a lot as they mature, so they and high level politics dont mix well.

We fought back when the Trotskyites tried to control the party obieone and won. And just think , far more women LP's now than in the eighties ?woman power

Are you actually inferring that I have no compassion for the vulnerable, the homeless, those who use food banks, those who had had their benefits cut and many more who face the same simply because I don't agree with your choices in how this can be achieved Annie

It seems you have left your politics behind and descended to personal attacks whether it is on a person involved in this discussion on this forum, Corbyn or anyone involved on a side you attempting to argue against.

If we hear a lot of this I think you will find the machinations within the Labour Party - whoever runs it and whatever the outcome in September - drive it into the wilderness for many more years.

Gracesgran, it's my opinion. How is it possible to support a man who will destroy the Labour Party when it is only the Labour Party who will help those who desperately need help? I think the majority care for the vunerable but just caring will not house or feed them

Corbyn is taking the party into the wilderness years , did you campaign during the eighties and nineties and for the 1983 election? If you did have you forgotten how the country turned away from labour because of the mistrust and fear of the far left. You mocked Kinnock for losing the following two elections dismissing how he fought off the far left militants, was hounded by the Tory press yet increased the numbers of labour MP , yet you defend Corbyn who is allowing the far left to control the party. If that's what you want then your choice , it is not what I want , my choice

think-left.org/2016/07/20/all-about-owen-smith/

This supports what you say about Owen Smith, Trisher.

So, Owen Smith only 'pretends to be Labour' does he trisher ? What nonsense.

It's all been said in the press and political programmes Jen , nothing new there

It's been in the press that Owen Smith intended to split the labour party?
I obviously missed that.

No, my error, I thought your link was confirming east Trisher said, apologies . I will support Owen Smith because he is the only one standing against Corbyn , what matters first is getting rid of Corbyn and his puppet master McDonald . I live quite near Owen Smiths constituency so hear things

If anything will destroy the Labour party it is a dodgy leader who has spoken in favour of privatisation of the NHS, voted for Trident and has links with the arms industry and drug companies. Anniebach you thought he spoke about the NHS 20 years ago so I don't know what you are hearing. He has repositioned himself as 'soft left' quite deliberately. Do you really think the public will fall for someone like him Anniebach. People want honesty and commitment in their politicians

It was Labours objective to vote for Trident.

Not that it matters, as Coryn will no doubt win again.Thus hurrying on Labours demise.

Angela Smith, Labour's leader in the House of Lords, abandons her support for Jeremy Corbyn because she said he has not been involved in key campaigns yet has claimed credit for them.

So this is honest, trustworthy Corbyn?

Yes they do want those Trisher , they will not get it with Corbyn and McDonald unless you count commitment to turning the Labour Party into a communist party

www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/labour-ban-abusive-members-voting-leadership-election

Waste of time unless a person being verbally abused can record the abuse and have the name of the abusers. What is needed but cannot be done is to track those who post vile messages on Facebook , am sure that would cut the number of momentum voters allowed to vote

If the shadow chancellor is allowed to call labour MP's f*****g losers on stage in the O2 , then anything goes

www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/08/20/critical-blogger-banned-from-voting-in-labour-leadership-ele

It was done last year.

I see that Sarah Champion has now unresigned from the shadow cabinet.

Anniebach Mon 25-Jul-16 12:26:20
Could you tell me where I "mocked Kinnock" please Annie?

... did you campaign during the eighties and nineties and for the 1983 election?
Mmm, well I have made no secret of the fact that I was a founder member of the SDP, on the steering committee to get the party going in our area and therefore, as you can imagine, didn't campaign for Labour - it would have been a bit perverse.

Gracesgran, you supported the Gang of Four who,left the Labour Party because it had moved to the left and now you are supporting the far left?

Thank you Jen, at least the man was honest and used his name

So Sarah Champion has now decided that she was mistaken , wonder why the change of mind? Could be several reasons I suppose

It wasn't a secret as I said Annie. I have commented on it a couple of times on here.

I think you must see things as more black and white than I do. If somebody says something I agree with I am happy to say so. The idea of being on one "side" meaning you slate everything the other "side" says just seems extremely closed minded to me. I don't think I have been "supporting the far left" just agreeing with some of specific things that have been said and some of the things that people wished to achieve.

My apologies Grscesgran, I realy thought you were a Labour Party member, my mistake