More United - is this the way forward in politics?

Just the home ones Devorgilla. I listen and learn when he tells me what they've been up to. It doesn't sound very scary but who knows?

He has never been particularly politically active before, although he's always had an interest in politics and is a lifelong socialist. Although having said that, we were both members of CND in the dim and distant past, and he was an active trade unionist. I think this has caught his interest (as for many people) at a point in his life when he has the time to get involved and take things further. He is very clear that he has not joined momentum to support Jeremy Corbyn but to support the values that Jeremy Corbyn represents, if that makes sense.

Nearly 18,000 supporters now.

Am I right in thinking that at this point supporters are only putting their name to it and not being asked for money Jen?

I'm one of the 'supporters'. I haven't given any money and I'm certainly not going to stand as a candidate. I'm just curious to know what's going on.

That's right, Gracesgran. They just want to know how much support they will have by September.

I wonder what will happen?

Nearly 19,500 supporters now.

Does anyone know if there is any connection between this movement and 'Compass'? If not does anyone know what Compass hopes to achieve as they have some of the same people on board.

Can't find anything out about that, Gracesgran.
Idid find out about someone called Sunny Hundal, who was liberal but told everyone to vote Tory in 2010, then joined the labour party so he could influence their decisions.
He sounds a bit mixed up.

www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/mps-on-reform/

About Caroline Lucas's PR bill.

I don't think there's any formal connection between Compass and MoreTogether. Compass started off as a Labour Party pressure group and has morphed into more of a cross party thinktank promoting a progressive alliance.

The two groups' values are very similar, so it would be ironic and sad if they couldn't work together.

Lucas' PR Bill is a nice idea but is never going to succeed while two main parties benefit from FPTP. The public blew it when given a chance of reform in a referendum.

The country needs to work towards a multi-party system and start making some deals if people are ever going to feel they are truly represented.

But when the new BOUNDARIES come in for seats, labour stands to lose 40, so they will never get in power with FPTP.
If you look at the map on the Caroline Lucas link, you will see that many labour MPs voted in favour.
The vote was on AV, not PR.

They won't get into power with PR either, unless they're prepared to form an alliance and compromise on some ideals.

I don't mean to advertise but this seems in the same vein as More United and Compass. The Alternative: towards a new progressive politics

Based on two premises – that working together with like-minded people produces better outcomes, and the UK may have reached the point where only some form of ‘progressive alliance’ will ever deliver a left-of-centre government – it is a collection of essays compiled jointly by a leading Labour MP (Lisa Nandy), a Liberal Democrat (Chris Bowers), and a Green (Caroline Lucas). It covers policies and values that could unite the progressives, and looks at the possible mechanics for cooperation.

It seems to be backed by Compass so perhaps we need a Compass thread to see what is happening with them

I think an organisation like 38 degrees is something people find more attractive. Possibly because it doesn't have links to politicians but is a campaigning body.

I notice that your link to Compass has a link to universal basic income.
Finland is going to bring it in in 2017.

basicincome.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1ee7284968c494ec88c2f40c9&id=4404b5f5b8&e=42f35f1694

I think there's an appetite for some kind of centre left alliance, but nobody's quite sure or confident enough to form a separate party at this stage.

However the arguments in the Labour Party turn out, it's almost impossible for it to win an overall majority in the next alliance, so even if it is the largest party, it's going to have to form alliances and compromise on some of its principles anyway.

I don't think 38 degrees can offer the chance of a left of centre party to challenge the Tories and that seems to be what these alliances are aiming at trisher.

I had the BIEN email Jen and tried to click through to more information but, not unreasonably, after the bit you linked it was in Finnish . It certainly seems under discussion in quite a few countries and it will be interesting to see the outcome of the various experiments.

How strange, Gracesgran.
The pdf is in English on my computer. It's rather long, though, 96 pages. I've read some of it, but will leave the rest for tomorrow.

Universal Basic Income, PR, nationalisation of the railways, action on tax havens, etc won't happen unless a government supporting them is in power. The opposition needs to work hard to persuade people that most people will benefit. The Labour Party in its current state is just not going to persuade the majority of people to vote for it.

I think Cameron done what most people in his position would do, I hate to say it but I think a lot of people on GN would give their pets a medal.

May is not going to endorse the awards, not sure what that means, I and I can't see anyone saying no to any award Cameron has made.

Sir philip Green, says it all really.

My little dog would be given the BMW award. Made of solid gold with a sky blue ribbon.

Nightowl: He is very clear that he has not joined momentum to support Jeremy Corbyn but to support the values that Jeremy Corbyn represents, if that makes sense.

Makes perfect sense to me. There are others with those values, but very few of them are in the PLP or the media. Hence the problem with getting those values made clear to the general public.