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Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

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M0nica Mon 08-Aug-16 19:57:08

What ever else I may think about JC, I did believe he was a man with principles, who stuck to them.

However, I am beginning to doubt that he is the sea-green incorruptible he is made out to be. Last year he said on television that he saw no case for appointing new peers and would not do so. Now he has nominated Shami Chakrabati fora peerage.

We now read that in a news interview he has suggested he could remain at the helm of the party even after a general election defeat.

DaphneBroon Tue 16-Aug-16 12:03:39

Maybe we need a "smile break"??

Beammeupscottie Tue 16-Aug-16 12:07:30

ab,
yn dda meddai

DaphneBroon Tue 16-Aug-16 12:27:54

confused??

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 12:28:41

Aw Beam, diolch cariad

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 12:34:43

Confused DaphneBroon? Not familiar with official languages of the U.K? I am .

Eloethan Tue 16-Aug-16 13:08:45

You are just proving my point Anniebach.

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 13:11:38

And ehich point eould thst be Eleothan, when it comes to my posts you make so many

Eloethan Tue 16-Aug-16 13:17:14

It is discourteous to exchange comments with another poster in a language that you know is likely to exclude other people - even when those comments are - as in this case - entirely inoffensive.

DaphneBroon Tue 16-Aug-16 13:19:41

Sadly not your particular one, AB this is more like the way we speak up oor close.

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 13:25:04

Careful DaphneBroon, Eleothan will give you a lecture

Beammeupscottie Tue 16-Aug-16 13:28:59

Blimey, it's like being sent to the Headmistress. We shall be given lines next.

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 13:35:20

Eleothan, the two posts you refer to do not exclude other posters, you for one understood them so you cannot claim you were excluded . A poster spoke to me in my language and I have no intention of ever ignoring kindness or my language which is an official language of the U.K. If I have broken forum rules I will accept a moderators ruling, you are not a moderator .please stop nit picking and return to topic.

Are you supportive of Militants being accepted back into the party? Do you agree that Derek Hatton should stand at the next election?

DaphneBroon Tue 16-Aug-16 13:36:43

Why, BMUS?
Just a bit of harmless fun
(What DID you say? Was it "well said!" or something secret ???)

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 13:36:56

Beam grin

DaphneBroon Tue 16-Aug-16 13:38:21

Ah missed Eloethan's post but I think mine hardly needs the online translator
Anybody remember Parliamo Glasgow?

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 13:40:04

DaphneBroon, do not some posters use PM's if they don't wish to say something on the forum, perhaps you have never done this !

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 13:41:58

Are some of my posts in invisible ink? Every time I ask for an opinion on .militants there is never a reply

Beammeupscottie Tue 16-Aug-16 14:02:34

Its called "in denial". Or отказ in Russian.

Tegan Tue 16-Aug-16 14:03:10

Sounds as if Billy Bragg has now expressed reservations about Corbyn.

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 14:05:43

Has he Tegan? I haven't heard that , wonder why

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 14:11:19

Found it.seems he still supports Corbyn but thinks him a 20th century politician and the party needs to reach out, it is in danger of being tribalist.

Eloethan Tue 16-Aug-16 16:27:15

Anniebach If people, on whatever part of the political left, wish to join the party and agree to abide by its rules and do so, I can't see what the issue is. If they are found to be trying to be breaking the rules they can be expelled.

Referring to his book re Militant, Michael Crick wrote:

“This is the story of the Marxist, Trotskyist group whose presence inside the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn tried to defend.”

Crick conceded early on that:

“Corbyn was never anywhere near being a member of Militant. What’s more, his 80s opposition to what he called an anti-Militant “witch-hunt” was widely shared on the Labour left [not least by Tony Benn, for whom you have in the past expressed great admiration and who you described as "a good man" following his death]. In the divided, feuding party of the time, purges and stopping purges were a preoccupation for many factions, as they sought to build useful alliances or weaken those of their enemies."

Crick has said recently about the current situation in Labour:

"Entrism may play a very small role in Jeremy Corbyn popularity, but it’s only a tiny explanation for what’s going on, and a pretty lame excuse for backers of other candidates to explain why their man or woman isn’t winning. And, of course, the various Trots and Greens would like you to believe they made a crucial difference. And journalists love it as a story too.

"Corbynmania is a far, far bigger phenomenon than entrism. Nobody fully understands what’s going on. It’s a fascinating development in public opinion, linked to the rise of the Greens, the SNP and even Ukip. But if you concentrate on entrism, you’re missing the much bigger picture, and a quite extraordinary story."

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 16:32:26

Eleothan, again, I am not asking sbout .crick, I asked if labour supporters are content to allowed expelled militants back into the party, your opinion not Cricks

Eloethan Tue 16-Aug-16 16:47:35

I said:

" If people, on whatever part of the political left, wish to join the party and agree to abide by its rules and do so, I can't see what the issue is. If they are found to be trying to be breaking the rules they can be expelled."

I believe very recently you expressed the view that Nye Bevan, the founder of the NHS, would be "turning in his grave" regarding the current situation. This is an extract from Biography Online:

"For a brief time he [Beva] advocated an alliance with other left wing parties, including the Communist party; for this he was temporarily thrown out of the Labour party, but he was later readmitted in 1939. In fact, he held a lifetime allegiance to the Labour party feeling that only the Labour party had the opportunity to gain power and represent the working man. Yet, despite his loyalty, he was quick to turn on Labour leaders whom he felt he had betrayed the Socialist ideal."

Anniebach Tue 16-Aug-16 16:53:05

Thank you fir your reply Eleothan. So even though you disagree with me you can accept test I think Corbyn cannot expect MP's to get behind him as leader when he led s campaign to get militants bsck into the party when the then leader and NEC had expelled them?

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