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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 19:16:05

Iam64 I think i heard something too
have googled it now:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-conference-could-be-cancelled-after-g4s-turn-down-last-minute-offer-to-provide-security-a7209861.html

Iam64 Thu 25-Aug-16 19:24:40

Thanks Jalima - it's a bit like living in a parallel universe currently, with news that you think WOT how can that be, being reported all too frequently.

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 19:29:04

I don't know why, but I have had Harriet Harman on my mind occasionally today (why you may ask - I don't know!!).
Is she going to lead a breakaway party?
Or send Jeremy to Siberia/The Tower/Proxima b?

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 19:29:42

Right, I could be wrong - huh - I wouldn't be surprised if there is no conference this year . Iam you are correct that the party will not use G4 and there has been a breakdown in talks with the other company.

Think on this a Labour Party conference - and I have been to quite a few - the highlight is the leaders speech and the standing ovation which follows is always timed by the Beeb commentators. Corbyn makes a speech , are the 170 eho voted no confidence in him going to stand and applaud, will they all turn up ?

Momentum have arranged a conference same town same week, speakers will be Corbyn and McDonald , you can bet the tv cameras will be there , imagine the applause at Momentums conference and labours conference , even if the Corbyn devotees leap on their seats with joy at the labour conference it still leaves the no confidence group to , well to do what?

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 19:32:34

Siberia please Jalima , they have the habit of beheading at the tower and I am a pacifist

Iam64 Thu 25-Aug-16 19:35:05

Oh goodness Annie, how canMomentum hold a conference in the same town, same week as the Labour Party conference. It gets worse by the day, doesn't it.
Jalima,I don't think it will beHarriet who leads the breakaway, if it comes to that. I keep wondering about Steven Kinnock, I know he's young and relatively unknown - can anyone suggest other MP's who may lead a breakaway. What a nightmare, that I can even contemplate that as a possibility.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 19:37:11

Ooops, clicked too soon sorry. On Harriet , well I do know there are females at the top eho hsve more guts than the men, it was Margaret Hodge who led the no confidence vote and she and Harriet , Caroline , Angela and a few more are very close , perhaps girl power ?

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 19:38:03

I favour Proxima b myself, it is only 4.2 light years so just far enough.

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 19:39:25

I have no reason to think of Harriet at all, we have been out doing other things today, no news on.
But she just kept popping into my head as in 'What does Harriet think of all this?'.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 19:42:24

Iam,i have it on good authority Momentum is holding some sort of conference there .

Stephen would like to continue where his Dad finished, come to think of it , Neil and Harriet are very close . Stephen is very quite on this leadership election , mmmmmm

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 19:51:45

Jalima, shall we say Harriet is not the happiest of bunnies , she is a tough lady too

It was Angela who started the challenge for leadership and Harriet was first with the emails supporting her

Talking of emails, I have lodged a complaint with H.Q, received the usual vote for me blurb from Corbyn and Smith but the last one from Corbyn was from one of the women who took the party to court, she asked voters to vote for Corbyn because they would be placing a vote for her too has she has been stopped from voting, I asked HQ has she not heard of one member one vote

POGS Thu 25-Aug-16 19:56:29

labourlist.org/2016/08/momentum-announces-alternative-conference-line-up/

The denial of a 'Party within a Party' will have to stop one day and I have been talking about Momentum from it's inception whilst receiving some quite sarcastic remarks to boot.

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The G4S debacle has been spoken about for a while and it looks like they have had enough of the rhetoric from the top of the Party/NEC.

It could go ahead by using the Police Force, if they are prepared to do it.

POGS Thu 25-Aug-16 19:59:40

Listening to the husting 'live' from Glasgow on BBC News as I type.

For those who have the utmost faith in Corbyn and have been 'adamant' that Brexit should not go ahead I would assume their vote would go to Owen Smith.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 20:00:56

Doesn't Corbyn know Abbot and McDonald are party members . Thanks POGS

varian Thu 25-Aug-16 20:01:50

I think it was a pity Harriet Harman did not stand as leader after Gordon Brown stood down.

She is very good at appearing on tv to defend the indefensible whenever the Labour party is doing badly but I cant see her wanting to take on the poisoned challice now.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 20:03:21

Wrong POGS, some here who wanted to remain claim Corbyn worked hard for the remain campaign - just don't mention his holiday

POGS Thu 25-Aug-16 20:04:04

Corbyn is reading from script when making a statement or debating and it is very noticeable , he is not in a comfort zone by the looks of it.

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 20:07:17

Mark Serwotka is listed on there;
He caused controversy during a speech at the 1985 Annual Conference of the Civil and Public Services Association when he described part-time workers, many of whom were trade union members, as "Scab Labour". He was later a supporter of the Socialist Alliance and then Respect
Of course, most of those part-time workers were women, bringing up families and holding down a part-time job as well.
Scabs! angry

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 20:10:10

Explains why he avoids hustings and only attends Momentum rallies , how embarrassing that he needs a script and is reading almost every word,

POGS Thu 25-Aug-16 20:23:42

Are you interested to know or what do you think about George Galloway?

RESPECT PARTY 'Voluntarily Deregistered' as a Party with the Electoral Commission on the 18th of August 2016.

search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP362

Is he 'possibly' returning to the Labour Party with blessing from abover perhaps. No idea.

Iam64 Thu 25-Aug-16 20:26:47

Jalima - I worked with people who were IMG, SWP, SA then Respect. I'm still friendly with some of them but I wouldn't want them running the country. They have no notion of the will of the majority, it was always, their way or the highway. Yes, the sexism in those left groups was shocking. The women were expected to brew up, look after the children, never complain or challenge the men. Then came the Women's Movement
It does feel like back to the future doesn't it.

petra Thu 25-Aug-16 20:33:08

At least he has enough vests for Siberia grin

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 20:37:02

I posted an interview with George Galloway yesterday , he said whilst Corbyn is leader Respect will not stand in any constituency. He also said he had been speaking to Corbyn about traingate, so they are in close contact. He denied his party had de registered . I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't get back in the party and get selected to stand

Iam64 Thu 25-Aug-16 20:40:28

I do hope he isn't parachuted into my constituency when our existing MP is deselected!

POGS Thu 25-Aug-16 20:40:48

This is George Galloway's take on 'Traingate'.

www.rt.com/uk/357020-galloway-corbyn-traingate-virgin/

I loved these bits:-

Jeremy Corbyn could not find two seats together unreserved on the entire train AND HE IS THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION , HE CAN't SIT ON HIS OWN ON A TRAIN. What!.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE WITH HIM WAS HIS WIFE , SO YOUR NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOUR WIFE STANDING AND YOU TAKE THE SEAT. What!

So he couldn’t find a seat, he sat down on the floor, 'SOMEBODY FILMED IT'. Yes, one of his team probably from Momentum and put into the public domain as a 'spin' video for team Corbyn and now they are crying wolf.

As the saying goes, You Couldn't Make It Up.