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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

obieone Tue 23-Aug-16 22:49:08

So many joe publics reserve a seat that is nowhere to be found?

Does that happen? I have never ever had that problem, but perhaps it happens elsewhere?

Anniebach Tue 23-Aug-16 22:54:58

Branson is on Newsnight tonight

Beammeupscottie Tue 23-Aug-16 22:57:04

If you reserve a seat you have that seat. Most tickets these days are bought online - it's where you get the bargains if you shop ahead. If you don't travel a lot, you should know a tickets is placed above your seat. Very efficient. No excuse for a Politician's PA to not reserve tickets unless a little PR exercise is planned!

Pollengran Tue 23-Aug-16 22:58:02

Anniebach, I avoided your last pro Blairite thread, but I won't avoid this one. What was he saying to his thousands of supporters? Do you know?

Please explain why some passengers left the train 90 minutes before it stopped, and where you got your information from (that matters to me, because the internet is full of disinformation).

Just back up your argument and giggles, and I might have some respect for you.

Beammeupscottie Tue 23-Aug-16 23:02:17

The salient point is that Virgin have pictures of Corbyn seated comfortably,not squatting on the floor which mocks his claims.

Anniebach Tue 23-Aug-16 23:03:36

Pollengran, what on earth are you on about now, I haven't mention Blair , you might have some respect for me? How dare you be so arrogant , I do not seek respect from anyone and in my opinion respect is freely given and not to be expected or demanded

Pollengran Tue 23-Aug-16 23:09:45

Typical PC "how dare you" non argument. You have not answered my questions Anniebach. Using "how dare you" simply loses the discussion.

DaphneBroon Tue 23-Aug-16 23:12:04

VIPs may be catered for, but so many joe publics reserve a seat that is nowhere to be found. Jeremy Corbyn is highlighting that. All he is saying is that we need more trains
This Joe Public always reserves a seat on Virgin trains, (and mobility assistance at Euston) in fact when you book online you automatically get a seat reservation.
Hardly a big deal. And as somebody said, JC's PA needs talking to if he/she failed to do this.
I find it hard to believe the CCTV footage was faked, the "excuses" are lame, it was an inspired PR stunt, BUT alas, the public are not always that gullible. grin
With all due respect pollengran, lighten up, you're not Theresa May are you?

Beammeupscottie Tue 23-Aug-16 23:19:28

Theresa May will be having a laugh. Perhaps they will put a little "Reserved" ticket on his place in Parliament! We wouldn't want him sitting on Dennis Skinner's lap.

Pollengran Tue 23-Aug-16 23:19:47

How the feck do you know I'm not Theresa May?

Anniebach Tue 23-Aug-16 23:22:09

It was a PR stunt and it went wrong, that's it. It will not affect the outcome of his leadership campaign, best he shrugged it off now or apologise if he really is into honest politics.

Anniebach Tue 23-Aug-16 23:23:09

Beam, you are on a roll, grin

Pollengran Tue 23-Aug-16 23:31:06

He will win this election. There is no doubt about it. He will gain the votes of the working (or in many cases, the unemployed) and this will kick out the Tories. We have had Tory lite for too long since the Kinnock days, and Corbyn is the only decent parliamentarian to work for us in many years.

Stop making out that he is a fool. He is far from it, and neither are his supporters.

durhamjen Tue 23-Aug-16 23:43:15

twitter.com/tompeck/status/768165811022213124

Which is more important, Corbyn on a train, or Owen Smith saying this?

Beammeupscottie Tue 23-Aug-16 23:47:23

Pollengram

I admire your loyalty but do not put your trust in this man - he will ultimately fall.

durhamjen Tue 23-Aug-16 23:56:44

So it's okay for Owen Smith to call people lunatics, is it?
Best to put your trust in someone who says that?

Pollengran Tue 23-Aug-16 23:59:09

Owen Smith tells audience: "with me, you won't have some lunatic in charge

Correction: "with me you will have some lunatic in charge of the labour party", like you Owen Smith, fully paid up member of the Taffia from Morecambe ?

He has no chance. What a joke when a failed Blairite calls an honest man like Jeremy Corny a " lunatic".

Pollengran Wed 24-Aug-16 00:01:05

Corbyn, although he might be Corny. grin

durhamjen Wed 24-Aug-16 00:05:38

i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/160823-CCTV-law.jpg

Like to see the continuation of this.

durhamjen Wed 24-Aug-16 00:09:27

Should Corbyn take Branson to court for releasing CCTV coverage? It's illegal.

Pollengran Wed 24-Aug-16 00:11:42

Pollengram

I admire your loyalty but do not put your trust in this man - he will ultimately fall.

We are playing politcal chess. Xx

Jalima Wed 24-Aug-16 00:13:36

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167700

Is it reasonable to assume that anyone with a modicum of common sense travelling with others and wanting to work on the train would book seats in advance, seats with a table?
I used to do it for myself and others; only once did I find someone sitting in my reserved seat, he refused to move until the guard/conductor made him.

JC could have moved to 1st and they could have worked in peace there, but against his principles I presume, even though he could have been working on sensitive material.
Heaven forbid that anyone would film him in first clas shock

durhamjen Wed 24-Aug-16 00:23:23

The difference is £150 for a single journey, £300 for return.
MPs are not supposed to travel first class any more since Osborne bought a standard ticket, then went into first class without paying the difference.

What he did want to do was sit next to his wife, quite a normal thing to do, I would have thought.
Just in case you say she wasn't sitting on the floor next to him, she wasn't filmed next to him. It would have been wrong to do that, just as wrong as for Virgin to put CCTV on the internet and the BBC.

durhamjen Wed 24-Aug-16 00:25:07

Jalima, can you imagine what the press would have made of Corbyn finding someone in his seat and getting the guard to ask him/her to move?

durhamjen Wed 24-Aug-16 00:26:46

Are you breaking the law there, Jalima, putting CCTV footage on gransnet?