Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

Your personal attacks on jen are in my opinion rude and uncalled for. I used to admire you as someone who, when under personal attack yourself (and let's be honest you faced a lot of rudeness and even ridicule from some people on this forum in the past) never stooped to that level. Well I'm sorry to say you have certainly made up for it since, and against people who do not deserve it.

Oooh annie
On a lighter subject, there is an advert at the bottom of this page for a company called 'Victorian 'Plumbing'. Could the search engine have picked up on the word 'Corbyn'?

Nightowl, I marched against the Vietnam war, Iraq War in fact I have protested against all wars in my life time . This does not change my views on the good done by the Blair government , I voted labour then and am not going to pretend I didn't .

I voted Labour after a labour government made the people in my home village of Aberfan pay to hsve the tips removed because I am a Labour Party mrmber and a socialist

That's what I don't get Annie (your first paragraph)

The evils of war, to me, override any good that warmongers might do. I can't make excuses for them.

Personal attack on a poster whi accused me of being a wannabe hypocrite ? Too funny

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nightowl, where have I made excuses for Iraq?

For me harm done is harm done, be it thousands killed in war or a homeless person dying on the streets . So easy to rant on for ever and use Iraq as a weapon to attack me, I care about mankind, be it a nation or one human being. You carry on with your holier than thou attitude , I don't care because I am answerable to Christ not you

I think it's wise not to go down that route Annie, regarding personal attacks. I could detail the many that you have made against others including myself in recent weeks. I think 'wannabe hypocrite' (did Jen use those words? I missed it) is quite mild in comparison.

I'm certainly not holier than thou, very flawed in fact, but some things are non-negotiable in my book, that's all. Signing out now, things to do, people to see etc.

wills, Victorian pluming?

nightowl, I do not care, I respect your right to voice your opinion, I do not respect your opinion

You marched against the Iraq War, yet voted for the man who took us into it illegally.
Is that not hypocritical?

No jen I don't think it is hypocritical, I voted for a labour government not one person, a labour government who did much good and I have no regrets because my vote helped the vunerable , this is what being a labour member means to me.

Was Robin Cook a hypocrite? He remained a labour MP , I think we can assume he voted labour not Tory during that time.

You have accused me of wanting to be a hypocrite ehich in my opinion is a sly way of accusing me of being a hypocrite

Unlike your hero when asked by the select committee on his description of Hamas as his friends I will not say - with hindsight I was wrong.

No more to say to you Jen.

I understand that you believe that any Labour government is better than any Tory one but can you not accept that Blair did real harm? To my mind the manipulation and threats used by the combination of Blair, Mandelson and Campbell which ensured that we went to war in Iraq without really questioning the dodgy dossier did far more harm to the Labour party that any thing undertaken by any other groups. That harm still remains in people's memory and is probably responsible for the Tories being in power now. Yes he won elections but he also alienated many people and unless something is done to distance the party from his legacy he has effectively made Labour unelectable. Harking back to 1983 doesn't help. What would you suggest the party does to wipe out the memory?

trisher,I will not discuss Iraq or Blair, I have been reported for upsetting a certain poster , I will not exchange posts with you, nightowl or Jen, I will continue to post my opinions on Corbyn and momentum but will be addressing the forum

Oh annie I have been watching your posts with sadness! Never forget that we all of us whether from left, right or centre of the Labour Party want the same thing -to get rid of this reactionary motley crowd of a government. Would it not be so much better if we concentrated instead on what is happening or planned by this government and use our energies instead on arguing our case.

If you look at what Smith and Corbyn want for the party you can hardly put a cigarette paper between them. What will be will be in the Leadership, but from Saturday we must all begin to learn to pull in the same direction otherwise all our dreams of ridding ourselves of this dreadful mess and most of all this dreadful government will be as dust.

@trisher

My children hardly even know who Blair was or what he did. I'm afraid I think harm is being done to the Labour Party by labelling everybody on the right wing of the party a Blairite.

I believe Labour could have won the last election (or at least been the largest party), if Miliband had been more charismatic and able to explain his policies better.

Whitewave, you think I have been happy? I have sobbed over all this but I cannot support a leader who thinks Michael Foots leadership was a great success , I adored Michael but he took the party into the wilderness years and that was a success?

The party cannot work together with Corbyn as leader , in all honesty I do not trust him , I want a leader who can stand on his/her own feet not be controlled by the likes of momentum . I have given my reasons for my change of views on Corbyn many,many times, I have said I voted for Smith as an anti Corbyn vote yet I still get taunts that I support Smith . I have been honest about my change of support for Corbyn but am accused of being a hypocrite , no I have been honest

Daphne, some are using the .iraq war as a weapon. I am now a Blairite because I voted for the Labour Party during Blairs years as leader. I am glad I did and would do it again. Not for Blair but for the good a Labour Party does.

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Time to stop chuntering about the 'evil' Tony Blair ( actually, no, he wasn't and did some good things.) Also why is David Miliband 'the past. ' years younger than Corbyn and could make a good Leader.

If ever he chose to.

Seems a man of fifty who looks to the future is the past, a man almost twenty years older who lives in the past is the future

Corbyns first wife said she voted for Corbyn when he first stood for the leadership, this time she voted for smith because Corbyn was still promoting eighties politics

David Miliband is the president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee.
He has one thing to tell May, and that's to sort out her part of the refugee crisis.
She is taking no notice of him there. She'll take no notice of him as leader of the Labour Party.

i so agree trisher that the party has to distance itself from Blair's legacy if it is to have any credibility. I have nothing against David Miliband personally but in my opinion he is too closely associated with Blair to have credibility as a future party leader. It has nothing to do with age, but the party needs to move forward not backwards now. I will be putting my efforts into pushing it to do so.