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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party
(513 Posts)Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.
I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'
I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.
The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.
Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.
There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.
I think that David Miliband is awaiting his chance.
So Corbyn thinks Michael Foot did a great job job 1983 and he it seems he will better this - stupid man still hasn't worked out this is what many fear
Caufman did describe Michaels 1983 manifesto as the longest suicide note in history , he was so right, poor Michael believed the country wanted to move to the far left
Pity he didn't get it in 2010. The Unions shot themselves in the foot there...
(to roses)
Not untill after the next election Rosesarered, unless Corbyn does the decent thing for the party, putting it before his fantasies
McClusky is still threaten deselection
1.
This organisation shall be known as ‘The Labour
Party' (hereinafter referred to as ‘the party’).
2.
Its purpose is to organise and maintain in Parliament
and in the country a political Labour Party
3.
The party shall bring together members and
supporters who share its values to develop policies,
make communities stronger through collective action
and support, and promote the election of Labour
Party representatives at all levels of the
democratic process.
4.
The party shall give effect, as far as may be
practicable, to the principles from time to time
approved by party conference.
The PLP always gives the impression that the PLP is the most important part of the labour party. It always quotes clause one.
This is the whole of clause one. It is in four parts, and says that the party members and supporters in the country are as important.
Are as important , NOT more important .
Nothing changes the fact that any,party who wants to win an election has to reach out to voters across the country not just Corbyn groupies
The most important people in the Labour Party are those people who vote for them, whether they are members or not.
How do you think the Labour Party without Jeremy Corbyn is going to reach out to voters across the country Annie? They weren't doing too well before Jeremy Corbyn became leader were they? Mainly because Tony Blair was exposed as a liar who took us into an illegal war, and people lost confidence in the party, not surprisingly. Gordon Brown didn't win much support and neither did Ed Miliband. So in which direction do you suggest the party should go next? Back to the right? More Tory lite? Why? There are other centre parties for those whose political views are central. I really don't understand where you want the party to stand, or which principles you think it should hang on to.
And please, please save us from David Miliband. He's the past too.
Corbyn has been a MP for much longer than Milliband, so if Milliband is the past Corbyn is prehistoric.
Blair won three elections because he reached out to voters across the country, Corbyn is still in a thirty year old bubble . Yes he talks the talk to win the votes of party members, to remain leader , no party has ever won an election on only party votes .
We can disagree every day on the same old, the voters will not vote for a far left party. and when labour loses the next election the Corbynites here with blame Blair Disregarding the fact he has not been a MP for twenty years.
Spot on Daphne, Corbyn will win by a large majority tomorrow and Corbynites will crow how popular he is, well not in marginal seats he isn't and we need even more than the marginals , we need UKIP, Lib and Tory voters, we will not get their vote as a far left party.
I think quite a few marginals could go to the Libs, they are now left of centre ehich is where has to be to win
What use is a leader who is the darling of the party members but not PM?
Blair didn't get everything right, but the minimum wage, tax credits, extra hospitals and schools etc were things I am pleased I voted for.
Read the headline of the link, so was dispatches a lie? sorry more far left rubbish
To the Corbyn supporters. Do you think he will win an election in 2020? 2025?
'Des Freedman is Professor of Media and Communications in the Department of Media and Communications at Goldsmiths, University of London. He is the author of The Politics of Media Policy, co-author of Misunderstanding the Internet and co-editor of several books including The Assault on Universities and Media and Terrorism: Global Perspectives. He is chair of the Media Reform Coalition and a National Committee member of the Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom. His new book, The Contradictions of Media Power, comes out in September 2014.'
Written by this man. Very far left, I'm sure.
You'd be better off reading the whole article before condemning the writer. Otherwise you just show yourself up for the prejudiced and hypocritical person that you seem to want to be.
theconversation.com/the-great-british-bake-off-sell-off-is-a-sign-of-the-tv-times-65346
Here's another of his far left diatribes.
You still haven't answered my question Anniebach so I can only accept that you don't intend to.
As for Blair, whatever good things his government did, he took us into an illegal war that left thousands dead and maimed, lives ruined and the world changed. I am glad I didn't vote for that. No good policies can ever make up for the harm this country did in Iraq, and as someone who professes to be anti-war, I'm surprised you can overlook Iraq so easily Annie when proclaiming Blair's record.
Why does it have to be Blair vs Corbyn? Blair hasn't been PM for a decade. Why can't current Labour Party members accept that what Blair did wasn't all bad? Just think what a Conservative government would (or wouldn't) have done if it had been in power during the Blair years.
Nightowl, i dud answer your question, the lsbour party cannot reach across the country with Corbyn , you question - how will it reach across the country without him ,
daphne, best ignore comments on iraq, it!s momentum members favourite weapon of attack. Bash in about Iraq and ignore the suffering of the vunerable of today.
Jen is proud she never voted for Blair , so I assume didn't vote for Brown or Milliband , so joined when Corbyn stood for the leadership , explains much
Jen, you hysteria has gone too far, no more to say to you, pure momentum attack from you. I critcise Corbyn, you make a personal attack , momentum works this way , physical or verbal attacks on anyone who doesn't reach an orgasm when Cobyn speaks
An easy get out for Iraq Annie. In my opinion it was the final nail in the coffin of New Labour. But worse than that it was an evil deed carried out by unscrupulous governments, our own being one. And still they vote for air strikes in Syria. They have learnt nothing.
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