Jeremy and the future

@Peaseblossom

How do you work that out? EU immigrants contribute more per capita to the Treasury than people born in the UK. They make less use of healthcare services than average, because most of them are fit and healthy. Many are also well-educated and skilled. They come here to work, not claim benefits. The UK's GDP would be much lower without them. They deserve to have some of the money they contribute in taxes and NI to services.

In addition to the above, British employers are making money from them, because they work hard, fill skills shortages and often accept worse pay and working conditions.

Thank you, yggdrasil. I was going to do some Google checking on the setting up of German labour laws post-war, but I was distracted.

I've lived in Germany and, with hindsight, wish I'd emigrated when I had the chance. I don't find the German psyche significantly different from the British. There was a time in the 1970s when Germans admired the UK and our way of life, but I regret that's no longer the case. German labour laws, including relationships with unions, have been fundamental to the German industrial boom.

@petra

Why would we have more immigrants than we already have? Happy to be proved wrong, but has Corbyn said anything about having an open-door policy to every non-EU citizen?

Obieone, this is a discussion on immigrants not refugees , and you are correct every leader needs supporters

I dont post much about immigrants any more as the threads and post go round and round.

But when posters start going back to trying to mix up the different sorts of migrants, then I will post yet again about that.

Yes? What does that mean, obieone?

yes to 17.44

Doesn't, sorry.

yes

What a stupid question, obieone.
Everybody that doen't come here has limited him or herself.

Shouldd we not have welcomed people fleeing persecution during the last century?

Every leader needs supporters.

How many people limit themselves durhamjen?

Will try to is not will do

We don't have unlimited numbers coming here. People limit themselves.
Many immigraqnts are young casual workers doing the jobs that the Brits are too proud to do themselves. They go back home to their families when they have earned enough.

One of Corbyn's ideas is to try to ensure, with other socialist groups, that most countries in Europe have a decent minimum wage, which will mean that many people will not feel the need to migrate to better themselves.

It can't we're too busy giving our money away in foreign aid. If Labour hadn't opened the floodgates to immigration years ago maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, and we would have more money to spend on the NHS etc. and not such a huge deficit.

For the sake of argument, let's suppose that Corbyn does get in and has an open door policy on immigration. How do we plan for how many hospitals, schools, houses etc we are going to need? Or will we just bimble through as we are now?

Ana said "The German psyche is completely different from the British one and they have a different attitude to work, debt and trade unionism. What works for them is unlikely to work for us."

I remind you that the German system of work and trade unions was set up after the war (when there was nothing much left of Germany) by the British TUC. A real pity we were unable to hold on to that here.

I agree with Luckygirl. Much though I'd love not to have to contribute any more in NI and Council Tax, we just can't hope to get the services we need without the money there to finance it. The amount of treatments and procedures available and required today re NHS are immensely greater , and probably increase year on year. When the NHS was first introduced, it had so much less to cover. Money has to come from somewhere. The other side of it is, unfortunately, that the money that is available, is not always used wisely! In one Health Board area, recently, an estimated £5million has been spent on investigating allegations brought against surgeons at a local hospital. The GMC is taking no action. During the time that the whole procedure has taken, even more money has been spent on cover by locum surgeons.

Amber Rudd is no match for him, either. I look forward to her trying to answer him.
Like you imply, Corbyn doesn't need supporters, just those willing to do the job he's asked them to do.

Did you really not know that the German psyche is different from ours? Yet you see racism everywhere, apparently.

I think people who are truly racist have no problem admitting it. Most of them are the "get back to you own country" brigade and are proud of it. Racism was not my question, it was can the system cope with unlimited numbers.

Fingers crossed, dj! I'd love to see him cross-examining Philip Hammond and Theresa May. I've seen interviews with him. He's no Corbyn supporter, but I think he's adult enough to get on with the job.

In what way is the German psyche different from ours? Can you speak German and understand ordinary Germans?

I disagree with you, foxy. I'm not suggesting that everybody who talks about numbers is a racist, but I've seen too many people on too many sites claim they're only concerned about numbers, then go on to write something blatantly racist. I doubt if many people would own up to racism in a survey, but they give their attitudes away and I don't think some of them even realise it.