Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

Trisher, how childish your post is about Mo rarely coming to Wales, she did and this will surprise you but Labour party conferences are held in England

As you are posting to keep attempting to mock me you are wasting your time , I don't give a fig, I have as much respect for your posts as you have for mine

But she wouldn't have got anywhere near the IRA Annie if there hadn't already been trust built up between Labour people and the IRA.
Do you really want to go into the history of Ireland, the massacres, the executions, the torture and illegal imprisonment? I just think it is not only silly but counter productive. There are many less publicised incidents much more horrific than the Brighton bombing but it doesn't help to discuss them.
You still haven't told me where you met Mo.

It is not kind of me to feed your need trisher

Oh so it was just at conference. In that case I 'know' lots of Liberal MPs from when I lobbied their conferences for a charity. Even talked to Danny Alexander (prat) and went to MPs free lunch

trisher nobody has to tell you anything at all, about anything!Why continue in this angry vein about NI . It's no secret that Corbyn and friends cosied up to Adams.

Sadly anger has entered the Labour Party since Corbyn became leader, hardly a man of peace is he? Threats of rape, verbal attacks on a Jewish MP, threats to many MP's , strange how his groupies don't listen to his words of peace, to be fair they are few and far between and spoken quietly

And "cosying" up to Adams resulted in the Good Friday agreement. Do you really think that any of the people from the IRA would have sat down to discuss peace if it hadn't been for the people who kept an open mind like Corbyn and Bill Clinton?

roses the history of Ireland is something I have researched and I am passionate about. If I sound angry then yes I probably am, particularly about people who blame the IRA for everything when the situation was so much more complicated. And people who pick out isolated events because they were well publicised and ignore the wider picture and dark deeds done in secret,

So not true, unless you are claiming Corbyn worked with John Major who laid the foundations for the peace, I am sure Major had great respect for the labour MP who supported the IRA's blowing up of the Brighton hotel - not

Try as hard as you want, Corbyn was not involved in the peace talks , he was an IRA supporter

Remember the joke in his far left paper? What do you call four dead tories - the start

I did not say I met Mo at a conference, you inferred I didn't leave Wales do I just reminded you I stranded conferences in England, we are allowed to cross the bridge. By the by, Mo did make several visits to Wales , privately and as a Labour Party member . I met her in both England and Wales

Corbyn and open mind ? Now that is fantasy

Stop putting words in my mouth Annie I never claimed he was involved in the peace process I said it was open minds like his that encouraged the IRA to join the talks. But I leave you to your prejudices.

You placed Corbyn along side Mo, you claimed he had an open mind yet accepted he wouldn't! Talk to unionists . You are not alone in feeling passionately about The Troubles, I too hive read much but I also listen, I had a RC Irish Godfather - which was s battle for several years to get permission- I worked with and for RC Nuns , I attended a mass fir Bobby Sands when he took his own life, I have a friend who was a prison officer in NI but left after being badly injured by an IRA bomb, I took part in the campaign for the enquiry into the evil that was Bloody Sunday , my son in laws father comes from NI , he joined the British army and was cut off by his parents. This is an open mind trisher do do not accuse me of being prejudice

And no, I never met Clinton

My goodness, peeps, we've trodden a long and tortuous road through this thread! Time for the Lib Dems to strike back ............ In my wildest fantasy, I have a vision of Tim Farron in his Superman outfit, mustering Lib Dem forces from the four corners of the UK, who, like King Arthur, have all been slumbering until they hear the clarion call of the great Paddy Ashdown, spurred on by the greatest lady in the land AKA Shirley Williams: 'Arise, there has never been a better time for the Great Yellow Bird to take to the skies, your country needs you, every other party is in disarray, fighting each other to the death. You will never have a chance like this again. You alone have the power to make this country great again.' And then, unfortunately, I wake up .........

grammargran

Getting back to the OP - I didn't realise until today that Lady Shami Chakrabarti, or whatever her title, she who I used to admire so much, who was disparaging about Essex man Don't leave me here, don't leave me locked in a room with Essex Man is Chancellor of the University of Essex.

(BTW our very own Essex man is a consultant in the NHS )

Somebody agrees with you, trisher.

www.google.com/url?q=http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2015/09/if-jeremy-corbyn-was-wrong-northern-ireland-so-was-nelson-mandela&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjrubWLstPPAhWMVxoKHTKjDHoQFggFMAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEEGiDQY_kP4tH1DH0bNpktC90vGw

When Bobby Sands was on hunger strike, I was teaching a few Irish lads, who would walk down the school corridor shouting Bobby Sands and saying what they would do to British soldiers. My brother was a British soldier undercover in Northern Ireland at the time.
I was also a member of the Labour Party at the time, as I was until after Blair won the first time. That's when I realised he wasn't a real socialist.

Why is it okay to sneer at people who did not have the privilege of being born into a Labour family?
Why is it okay to sneer at people who came to socialism by thinking about it and learning about it, by querying how their parents lived, working class Tories who believed everything they were told by the Tories, but did not realise that what they were promised was a sop to keep them in their places? They would never get themselves out of the trap they were in no matter how hard they worked, because one was a busdriver, the other a nurse, and they were not important to the Tory hierarchy.

grammargran ?, don't give up on dreams ,I think things may have been so different for your party if David Penhaligon had lived

Jalima, you jest ? No you don't,p. Shami was interviewed recently and asked about her choice of school for her son, she was so on message , said the very same as Thornbery when asked the same question - I want a good education for all. She is learning fast . I use to admire her too.

Perhaps Jen for the same reasons as you dismiss me as stupid and tell me to grow up, and the fact you didn't know Derek Hatton was thrown out of the party in the eighties but Corbyn had a campaign to get him and other militants back in, no matter they cost Labour the wilderness years

Plus you have become very aggressive in replies, sorry and you do your fair share of sneering and putting others down

So you did vote for Blair?

No, I don't jest!!
I am sure I read that somewhere

Thank you Anniebach, some dreams do seem impossible though! Where ARE the Liberal Democrats when they're so badly needed - one can only hope there'/ a lot of work going on behind the scenes.

Where did you get the fact that I didn't know that Hatton had been thrown out of the Labour Party?
You make things up to suit your prejudices.

I said there was no reason for him not to come back if he adhered to Labour Party rules by not being a member of any other party such as Militant. That's why he was thrown out, because of Militant. He was thrown out by your favourite, Uncle Neil. I must have known he'd been thrown out if I said that, mustn't I?

Are people who have left the party or been thrown out never to be allowed to repent, or change their views?
I seem to recall mentioning the prodigal son.
Not very Christian if he is not allowed back in whatever he says.

You could well be right about David Penhaligon though.

I told you ages ago that I voted for Blair the first time, but never again. Again, you make things up to suit your prejudices.

grammargran , don't want to depress you , be brave, it took Labour fourteen years to get right back, the Libs will not take as long, some members of my local party have gone Lib

I have the giggles remembering Penhaligans opinion on European non-nuclear defence - behaving like a virgin in a brothel , my poor mother was shocked

Is predujice the new in word for Cobyn fans ?

Without predjuduce

Where is Corbyn? Can't be on holiday again ,