Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

I leafletted anu door knocked for the LP in the last general and more recent local elections, as well as supporting the remain campaign locally. We have a good labour MP, less good labour led council. What ordinary people said linked to lack of employment, over crowded schools, diminishing public services including day care / family centres for the old, the young, people with mental health problems. Concern about the impact of immigration on those issues, particularly housing, health and education was a constant theme.
Those concerns came from people who would largely have been labour voters but were leaning towards ukip. our area voted Leave.
Annie is correct imo in saying that the LP has to appeal to those people, who blame it for the increase in immigration and their belief this is undermining opportunities for them.

durhamjen Tue 11-Oct-16 21:01:43
THEY CAN'T COME BACK IF THEY ARE MEMBERS OF MILITANT.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!

They can't be members of MILITANT as MILITANT was a Trotskyist group that morphed into The Socialist Party in 1997.

Anniebach is correct in talking of those who were 'once' in Militant , the likes of Hatton, Peter Taaffe, Livingstone wanting to 'rejoin' the Labour Party .

I keep noting you say you are not a member of Momentum. What made you change your mind as I distinctly remember engaging with you after you were promoting Momentum and I said I was interested in those behind Momentum. What changed your mind?

trisher

May I ask you a question which is intriguing me, you may or may not decide to answer.

Have you not posted you voted Lib Dem? Or am I mixing you up with another poster?

Iam, you are so right, one has to get out there and listen to voters , I geared the same as you when I canvassed for the grneral election and this years Welsh Assembly elections . UKIP are working hard in Wales , the strong labour seats, they are quite confident they can increase their dupport. They are also doing the same in the north of England . People have genuine concerns and to ignore them or lecture them will only increase the UKIP vote

I remember Jen saying she had told Momentum if they removed their request for no violence she did not want thrm to mail her again.

The socialist party were campaigning at the Momentum conference last week to deselect labour MP's , they were on the pavement right outside the hall and were interviewed for BBC news and C4 news

I think the Country is sick of intellectual politics, seeing them as the province of the chattering classes. It is no good people like Chakrobati et al talking about equality and socialism while sending their children to private schools - it just will not wash.
I watched Marie le Pen on "Hardtalk" last night, talking in the same common-sense way that is winning the vote for right-wing politics. Ukip also tell people what they want to know that all the intellectual arguments and talk of public education will not touch that. As an educated woman, I can see through their arguments but millions of voters will not.

Agree Beam, telling the voter what they should want doesn't win votes , listening to them and understanding their needs and concerns may

I live in a market town, should I tell people in inner cities what they need ? I think not

Yes I voted Lib Dem when Blair took us into an illegal war and the LIb Dems promised to abolish student loans. Seemed to me at the time that the Labour party was veering significantly to the right and I could not support a party that ignored the huge Peace protest I was part of.
Annie I have lived in social housing and in private rentals.
I don't doubt that people have worries about housing, schools and jobs, but exactly the same arguments were being used 80 years ago against Jews as are now being used against immigrants. There needs to be a concerted effort to address these issues by speaking out for internationalism and real socialist policies. The reason UKIP are winning votes is because Labour are shilly shallying on the edge of right wing politics. If someone offers you a plastic duck for a pet and there is a real live one there as well you'll go for the real duck, which is why people vote Conservative or UKIP instead of Labour. If you are offered a real choice between 2 live animals it's harder to choose.
It isn't a question of telling the voter what they want but of showing a real alternative where there might be some change.
It amuses me that Annie thinks I am a member of Momentum I have said before I'm a floating voter with left wing beliefs.

The constant condemnation of intellectual socialism amuses me as well. One of the best read people I have ever known was my grandfather who was a docker and regarded education as the most important thing in life. He was also a communist.

she winds me up and I can't help taking the p* out of her
you may be quite nice in RL trisher but quite honestly your posts are really unpleasant.
Amazing that some people get banned for less.

anniebach I did not mean to add fuel to the fire, you are a better person than me.

trisher as far as I can tell from the mood of any Labour voters I know (very few compared to others I will admit) they fear that Labour has swung so far to the left that they will never get in again for years and have no hope of implementing any of the policies that make for a fairer Britain. That is not to say that the people I know agreed with the Blair government (they loathed him) but that there must be some way back to a decent, sensible, united Labour party that is between these two extremes and for which the traditional Labour voters will vote.

They can't see that happening any time soon.
one has to get out there and listen to voters - they are not being listened to.

trisher... are you serious that ' the reason UKIP are winning votes is because Labour are shilly-shallying on the right edge of Labour' ?
It's because they are shilly-shallying on the Left.It's not only you that misunderstands what a lot of Labour voters want either, and you and they, are confusing Labour voters with vociferous Labour party members ( wanting hard left politics.)
Corbyn and friends are out of touch with real people outside that 'rally bubble.'

That should read ' not only you that misunderstands'

X posts Jalima

Corbyn has caused the widower of Jo Cox much anger with his refusal to condemn Russian attacks , Corbyn does not agree with Stop The War demonstrations at the Russian Embassy .

I would not have defined a working man who reads, learns and believes in education as an 'intellectual socialist', communist or not.

There are many who want the Labour party to back away from the far left politics of Corbyn, sadly more and more are leaving the party .

How can a voter with left wing beliefs be a floating voter, will they find left wing policies in the Tory Party, IKIP Party, Lib Party ?,

For a floating voter trisher you seem fully dedicated to the far left, there is a home in the communist party for far left voters,

Blast , our treasurer has left the party now, at this rate our meetings will consist of four labour councillors and me.

Anniebach I've just been reading that Re Joe cox's husband. How far from reality can Corbyns crew get.

Petra, I was shocked when I read Corbyns views on it

Communist slogan: Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce mine.

Should read: is mine.

I am beginning to think Labour under Corbyn is trying to get into bed with Russia. this is taking vote-defying idealism too far. These people on the far left should not it be H.M.Opposition. They are a disgrace to the Parliamentary system.

Hmm. Boris Johnson in diplomatic kerfuffle because he has urged people to demonstrate outside the Russian embassy. Since when did Foreign Secretaries urge people to demonstrate outside embassies? (help me out? Any examples anyone?)
Meanwhile the Head of Stop the War Coalition against a demonstration - "there's no point". (BBC R4 News at 6pm)