Gransnet forums

News & politics

Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

(707 Posts)
POGS Thu 06-Oct-16 19:48:07

Well this could be interesting.

Rosie Winterton sacked from Chief Whips position and Nick Brown back in the Cabinet again. Baroness Shami Chakrabarti has done very well since joining Labour she is now Shadow Attorney General and Dianne Abbot Shadow Home Secretary, Dawn Butler Shadow Minority Ethnic Communities, Sarah Champion Shadow Women and Equalities Minister and Jo Stevens Shadow Secretary of State for Wales.

It will be interesting to see if any who signed 'No Confidence' in Corbyn can/will be in Corbyn's reshuffled Cabinet Team. Time for 'Unity'?

durhamjen Fri 14-Oct-16 17:50:32

www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/2207-anti-war-charter

Is there anyone who disagrees with this?

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 17:55:02

trisher ... sorry but your posts on this subject are ridiculous and there is nobody posting warmongering on here, it's all in your head.

nigglynellie Fri 14-Oct-16 17:55:32

Yes I do realise all that trisher and at times the demonstrators were out en masse. It still doesn't explain why there are at times demonstrations against the West, but never against Russia, i.e. Crimea, East Ukraine, Georgia, and now Syria! Why so vociferous in one camp, and strangely silent in the other?

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 17:58:42

Putin and what the Russians are doing in Syria is VILE, we are there, alongside other countries to help the people as best we can and try and stop Daesh from over running the country(. With their own brand of vileness)THEY ( Russians) are bombing and killing the people ON PURPOSE to help Assad.

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 18:00:37

...and no left wing 'peace and love' rally in the world is going to do a blind bit of good.

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 18:02:28

But it would give The Stop The War people something to really protest about ( Russians.)

trisher Fri 14-Oct-16 18:16:59

Yes +roses+ it is vile but it isn't much good just wringing your hands and blaming the Russians for everything. You do realise that Daesh are only there because of our meddling. Perhaps those who voted for the war in Iraq should realise that this is what happens and maybe next time there is a peace rally our government will listen. We provided the climate for Daesh to prosper and the Russians took advantage of it to assert their influence in the worst possible way. Condemn them by all means but recognise the events which led to this situation.

nigglynellie Fri 14-Oct-16 18:25:28

We can realise and do, but what's done is done and we can't alter it, hindsight is a wonderful thing and if we'd realised then what we now know, no doubt things would have been conducted totally differently, abut it still doesn't answer why the West gets protested against vociferously but Russia never has/ does even when they deliberately behave so appallingly.

Jalima Fri 14-Oct-16 18:27:39

hmm is this the Seamus Milne school of thought which Corbyn et al avidly listen to?

Jalima Fri 14-Oct-16 18:28:21

Not yours nigglenellie - x post there!

dramatictessa Fri 14-Oct-16 18:29:53

No, it's the alternative to jingoism school of thought.

Jalima Fri 14-Oct-16 18:43:45

Condemning Russian and Assad's bombing of women and children is not in the slightest jingoistic.

I never read so much tosh.

durhamjen Fri 14-Oct-16 18:47:30

Does it matter that an ex-MI6 head says don't protest outside the Russian Embassy as you might put the lives of embassy staff in danger?

Niggly, your last post suggests we should do things differently now that we do know what will happen if we take part in bombing Syria.

nigglynellie Fri 14-Oct-16 18:50:28

Do you know what jingoistic means dramatictessa? Can't see that condemning Russia can possibly be described as that!!

nigglynellie Fri 14-Oct-16 18:52:12

Does this advice apply to other embassies too - hope so !!

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 18:54:19

drama
Jingoistic.....tosh as Jalima says. perhaps some of us recognise that what Russia is doing is a war crime against the Syrian people.

trisher Fri 14-Oct-16 18:57:42

FYI
www.aol.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/embassy-protest-would-contribute-to-hysteria-and-jingoism-against-russia/

I am always amazed at those who look at a war see the mess it has made but imagine that all it needs to sort things out is another battle somewhere.

dramatictessa Fri 14-Oct-16 19:04:49

Of course it's a bloody war crime, completely agree with you there, but as to what to do about it - well, no-one on GN has got the answer any more than the politicians. And I do think Russia should be condemned, wholeheartedly. But at the same time we need to recognise that we and other so called civilised countries have contributed and continue to contribute in making things worse, sometimes with the best of intentions and sometimes only with the intention of making money for arms dealers, or protecting our own interests. And as an aside, I don't like Seams Milne and would love Corbyn to get rid of him.

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 19:09:25

We don't need hysteria, but to call honest revulsion at what Russia is doing in Aleppo 'jingoism' is in itself , unfeeling and also untrue.

rosesarered Fri 14-Oct-16 19:16:26

We were not talking about 'what to do about it' that's a whole other question, but to more or less dismiss (As one or two posters are doing) That Russia is doing all Assads dirty work in this massacre, and that ' we are all as guilty' well, no we are bloody well not.

Ana Fri 14-Oct-16 19:17:30

Makes you wonder whether these 'peace campaigners' actually know the meaning of the word.

Anniebach Fri 14-Oct-16 19:29:04

Why would Russian Embassy staff be in danger if a demonstration was held outside the Russian Embassy?

durhamjen Fri 14-Oct-16 19:33:14

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/its-time-to-nationalise-bae-systems/

Anyone think this a good idea? (Long read).

One in three of Saudi's bombs hit civilian targets. We are providing the bombs.
If we owned BAE we wouldn't be able to supply Saudi.
Saudi commits loads of war crimes using our weapons and our planes.

nigglynellie Fri 14-Oct-16 19:37:50

Exactly how could they be? A peaceful demonstration couldn't possibly be harmful to anyone.

trisher Fri 14-Oct-16 19:46:57

If we are discussing war crimes here is one for you. You might also wonder why the conflict in Syria is in the headlines whereas the war in Yemen is forgotten.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37607248

Nothing to do with US involvement and us selling weapons to the Saudis of course.