Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

The BBC is covering the war in Yemen

So I hope you are condemning those responsible with the same degree of feeling as you have the Russians.

Niggly, I cannot recall one demonstration where there was a death, don't even recall hearing of a death in the pole tax demonstrations . arrests yes, but deaths ?

I wonder why no one's answering your question, niggly.

What do you expect me to say trisher - hip hip hooray?

This thread is just so - is ridiculous the right word? No? - condemnatory? - illusory? an unhealthy debacle? it is not worth contributing any more.

The Saudis aren't very good when it comes to hitting the right targets and even countries who are ,( ie, hitting rebel forces instead of funerals or other civilian gatherings) get it wrong, which is why the phrase ' friendly fire' was coined, but Russia is quite deliberately targeting hospitals and all civilians young and old in their bid to help Assad.This is what is different!
Should the US have got involved there (Saudi A.) is another question, but arms trading goes on between ALL countries and if the US or UK gave all arms trading up today, it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

Try all war is wrong, all the parties involved in the Middle East are guilty of war crimes, all parties are using illegal weapons and killing civilians. Russia is guilty but so is the US, the UK and Saudi Arabia.

Rubbish!

All war is wrong? war is terrible but not always wrong, as those who took part in the second world war would attest to.

If you are a pacifist trisher then you have said what I thought you would say, but it doesn't make you correct.

When you are losing the argument bring up WW2.

I don't think roses is the one who's losing the argument...

Tony Benn was a pacifist but fought in WW2, he enlisted . If this country was under threat of invasion would you support defending it even by the gun or choose occupation trisher? And to reply with - we should hold talks , isn't an option

If the UK and the US gave up selling arms it would make one heck of a difference, roses.

theconversation.com/kabul-is-still-not-safe-but-the-eu-is-deporting-people-there-anyway-66933

Niggly, you implied that Kabul was safe. It isn't, but we still send people back there.
Cruel, isn't it?

Did you read the link about the civilian casualties, the banned weapons and where the weapons come from.
Amnesty says
The UK, USA, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain reported licenses and sales to Saudi Arabia worth more than $25bn in 2015 including drones, bombs, torpedoes, rockets and missiles.

We may not be dropping them we are supplying them.

Nearly 50% of arms sold are from US and UK. The other top five countries are France, Germany and Russia.
That's worldwide, not just to the middle east.
Are you really saying that stopping nearly 50% of arms sales wouldn't make any difference?
Do you have shares in arms sales?

I didn't say Kabul was safe, I said that the Taliban had been removed, which did make life a bit more bearable. We were of course asked to help in Afghanistan by the then President. We do our best to minimise civilian casualties, Russia deliberately targets them - big difference!
If the UK was under threat of invasion, I and my family would choose to fight no question about it, but then we always have.

If one country stopped selling a percentage of arms another country would supply thst percentage

I believe the Nazis were a threat which could have been contained much earlier had it not been for some sympathetic voices in the establishment in this country. I wouldn't serve in a fighting regiment I am by no means sure I could kill another human being if I was asked to. Should the country be invaded I would look at the government that was being installed and decide if I wanted to oppose it or not. If I thought it was damaging human rights or imposing unnecessary restrictions I would take part in civil unrest.
See Annie I do answer questions, unlike others.

Civil unrest! yeah, that would have worked (not) A thread that could have been contained?Nazi Germany?

Exactly ab each of the other countries would step up munitions making to make up the deficit.

Oh, so now the rise of Hitler was the UK's fault...

In that case if you aren't against the UK selling weapons stop moaning about how awful it is that civilians are being bombed. if you supply terrible weapons you are just as responsible as those who use them.

So you would expect an invading country to go to the ballot box trisher? If you decided it would not damage human rights you may possibly vote for it to form a government?

For some, everything is the fault of the UK.I really wonder why so many people are trying to come here to live.