Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

trisher

There were so many problems being raised by the Labour Party itself. It wasn't other political parties who were making accusations it was coming from within the Labour ranks. Firstly there was the Baroness Jan Royall Inquiry primarily looking into the Labour Oxford University Students and subsequently the Shami Chakrobarti Report as there were concerns from within the party who were seeing a rise in anti-semetism , including behaviour towards their own MP's from within the ranks of Labour members.

What cases do you feel should be addressed by the Lib Dems and Conservative Parties that have not been dealt with over say the past decade. What happened decades ago for all parties is of no consequence we have moved on and are discussing the rise of antisemitism in relation to date which wass the remit of Labour Baroness Jan Royal, Shami Chakrobarti and the Home Office Select Committee Report.

I understand where you are coming from in pointing to other parties, it is a fair point. I am not however of the belief the problem is anywhere near, not remotely close to those of Labour which has had a succession of reports of anti-semetic behaviour. So again , which cases do you think make you believe other parties come close to Labour at this moment of time please.

Trisher, I agree with some of your post but not all. The report said it was in all parties, the news repeated this.

Naturally the attention went onto the Labour Party with all that has been happening within the party. You refuse to accept this.

Naz Sha did make anti Semitic remarks and she admitted it and apologised

Ken Livingston did cause anger with his rant about Hitler

Corbyn did sit in silence whilst a Jewish MP was verbally attacked by a momentum member. He was filmed laughing with this person when the meeting ended

Corbyn talking with Hamas but refusing an invite to Israel by their Labour Party

Iam has said she has a circle of Jewis friends who are party members and eho are troubled

Shooting Shami into the lords after her independent enquiry, a party member holding an independent inquiry? How damned daft was that ?

You are so defensive of Corbyn you excuse all the above but they are not excused or ignored by all. Even the labour MP's on the committee have been accused of bias against Corbyn

Yes all anti semitism is cause for concern and has to be acknowledge by all parties, this Includes Corbynites

Good posts POGS and ab

There was the case which Pickles apparently knew nothing about - and the position he holds indicates he should know.
This is in the evidence used by the committee

In August 2014 UCL Conservative Society was under scrutiny for a series of anti-semitic, Islamophobic and racist remarks, fostering a culture of discrimination and bullying, and creating a “toxic” environment. One comment included, “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”.

In October 2014 after an investigation by UCL Union, the Conservative Society was ordered to apologise. There is no evidence that the Conservative Party investigated the incidents.

Now this may be historic, but given the position Pickles holds shouldn't he at least have known about it? He claimed he didn't. OK it is a small incident but the students attending UCL then may be working in Westminster now. I find it a cause for concern, maybe you don't

No more than you think a party member holding an independent enquiry is acceptable trisher and the party leader taking this party member of just a few months to answer questions for him at the select committee's enquiry and her refusal to tell the committee when she had been offered a peerage and the fact she did not reply to this question when it was again asked by letter

Attack is the best form of defence

I think what really worries me about the remarks made as well is that it is what might be described as "old fashioned" antisemitism. These are words that might have been said in the 1930s and a good education should have at least taught that these were unacceptable, but not it seems to Conservative students.
I think the antisemitism in the Labour party is sometimes an out come of over enthusiastic support for Palestine. It isn't acceptable but it is more understandable and what needs to be examined is how education can be used so that the belief in the Palestinian cause can express itself and act without being accused of antisemitism. It is a difficult problem.

labourlist.org/2016/10/nec-member-wolfson-rallies-behind-corbyn-after-anti-semitism-row-escalates/

I think that is to be expected, there are still many who support Blair

There is it seems, a fine line between anti semitism and anti Israeli government approach t Palestine.

I agree that the other parties need to look to themselves, particularly the tories.

For anyone who wants to know what Momentum is about.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVhAXOZqQxM

I mught join, just to be in the same group as him.

As you revived this thread durhamjen.

I am pleased that 'finally' Angela Eagle has received the proper response from the Labour Party over the disgusting behaviour she has had to endure from Labour Party members and 'far left' activists (Momentum), especially around the time of her Labour Leadership battle.

Anyone who has followed the politics threads will not be unaware that Angela Eagle and many other Labour MP's have been having a terrible time and there has been a lot of defence by yourself and a handful of other posters that say this simply has not happened.

The Labour Party National Executive Committee has 'finally' held an Investigation into the conduct of Labour members and 'far left' activists (Momentum ) towards Angela Eagle who pulled out of the Labour Leadership contest and has told for months of the vile e.mails she has received , including death threats. She has spoken of the 'far left' (Momentum) activism in her constituency of Wallesy and the awful homophobic abuse she has received. She has spoken of the fear her staff have been living with because of this growing militant activism and a brick being thrown the window of her constituency.

Some Gransnet posters have denied theses allegations but I hope that the NEC Investigation which concludes these events have indeed all taken place might just go some way to proving the points some posters have been making are/were indeed 'ALL TRUE'.

As you have publicly said you might join Momentum durhamjen you must accept replies.

I think you have not found a place for your loyalties as you have told us to join the National Health Party, The Greens, Peoples Assembly Against Austerity and flirted with Momentum , I remember engaging in discussing Momentum with you and indeed somehow you have told us you once received e.mails from Momentum but were not a member.

I think you will make an excellent Momentum member , go and enjoy yourself and instead of speaking up for Momentum as you constantly do why not speak up for Momentum as a bona fidi Member.

Revived it? From three days ago?

The brick wasn't thrown through her constituency office window.
It was thrown through the window of the stairwell, and photos taken of it show the glass on the outside, so whatever was thrown was from the inside of the building.
That's easy to disprove.
Have police taken any action against any left wing activists?
I haven't seen it if they have.

Did you look at the link I put up?
All I said was I might join to be in the same group as Paul McGann. Who wouldn't? I was joking.

I actually have not told you to join any party, and have not said I am a member of any party apart from having rejoined Labour, which I left in early 2000 when Blair was pretending to be socialist while bombing Iraq.

Just because I say that the Green Party, NHAP, and Unity ( how come you missed that one out?) have good ideas does not mean I am a member. I haven't flirted with Momentum either.
Anyone who rejoined as I did had their name on Momentum's list and was sent emails asking them to join.

Oh I'll join anything with Paul McGann, unfortunately dj I may have to fight you if you get a seat next to him and I don't.

Let's not argue semantics about the brick through a window pane at the building where Angela Eagle has her office. What about the homophobic abuse, the vile twitter messages, the threats towards her.
Does none of that matter to the supporters of Jeremy - who constantly repeats that he opposes all violence but seems to do absolutely nothing to address the vile verbal violence and physical threats towards those who dare to take a position that isn't entirely supportive of him and his friends.
Angela Eagle is a hard working constituency MP. Just because not everyone agrees with everything she's ever done or said does not in anyway justify the nastiness unleashed towards her.

“I am proud to have been the Member of Parliament for Wallasey for 24 years and to have had a good relationship with most local Labour activists for all of that time.

“I am grateful that Jeremy took the unusual step of both attending and speaking in the meeting and that he expressed sincere sympathy for both me and for my staff.

“It is now clear and accepted by the NEC that homophobic abuse was perpetrated by some members of the local party; I will simply not tolerate it, and I know I have the backing of both Jeremy and union leaders when I say that there is no place for it in the Labour movement either."

From Angela Eagle's statement.
She's not blaming Corbyn. She knows it's going to be looked into properly and dealt with.
By the way, that's from a leaked report. Why does everything in both main parties have to be leaked these days?

We'll have to make sure he sits in between us, trisher.

Nobody is blaming Corbyn ( as such, although weak leadership may well have played a part) but we ARE blaming some very far left /Momentum supporters for all the vile tweets, phone calls/emails sent to Eagle.

Iam 64 you are absolutely right, as none of the abuse matters a jot to some Corbyn supporters.

durhamjen

Thank you for reminding me of your support for the far left Left Unity ,how did I forget that.

As for 'leaked reports' I wonder why too , perhaps the Labour Party and the NEC thought it was not of interest to go public or hoped to keep it's findings quiet, Who Knows! However I do find it disingenuous whether it be a Report/Inquiry/Investigation some people choose to believe in one but another, depends if it suits their own remit I suppose.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-eagle-subject-homophobic-abuse-labour-leadership-contest-jeremy-corbyn-a7368931.html

"Angela Eagle was subject to homophobic abuse, intimidation, and it was “very likely” a window of her local office was smashed in relation to her leadership challenge against Jeremy Corbyn, a probe by the Labour Party has confirmed.

The findings of the confidential inquiry, seen by The Independent, claim that Ms Eagle’s constituency office in the Liscard area of Wallasey, Merseyside, was vandalised and that the atmosphere of her constituency Labour party (CLP) became “toxic and divided in the extreme”.

At the time of the brick incident 'SOME SUPPORTERS DISMISSED' the suggestion that the former shadow Business Secretary was the target, while others claimed allegations of homophobia were “completely untrue”. One individual even went to the length of creating a “short investigation” into the “apparent” smashing and added Ms Eagle had attempted to “gain as much political advantage as possible” over the incident.

The report, however, which draws on 100 anonymous witness statements, dismisses these suggestions and adds that allegations will now be passed on to the disputes panel regarding individual disciplinary action.

The report adds: “It is highly likely that the brick thrown through the window of Angela Eagle’s office was related to her leadership challenge. The position of the window made it very unlikely that this was a random passer-by. The window was directly between two Labour offices. ' UNTRUE RUMOURS' were subsequently spread that the building was occupied by many companies and the window was in ' an unrelated stairwell'.

“This was based on a Companies House search which found that the landlord had a number of companies registered there; in fact, the only other occupant is the landlord on the upper floor. Once this incorrect rumour was spread, members repeated it as clear evidence Angela Eagle was lying. This is 'CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE'.

“The office of Angela Eagle has endured a significant amount of abuse, including abusive and intimidating phone calls. Staff members were eventually forced to unplug the phone. The investigation has received many hundreds of abusive, homophobic and frightening messages that have been sent by Labour members to Angel Eagle. Where appropriate, members have been administratively suspended pending investigation.”
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I blame Cotbyn, if he really didn't support what some momentum activists have done and are doing he would cut off all connection with the group, but he will not because he needs them, he needs them because he is too weak to stand alone as leader, momentum makes sure he has successful rallies which are shown on tv. They provide the women who surround him at almost every public appearance.

He even depended on Shami to answer questions for him at the enquiry into anti semitism , she a member of a few weeks, he a member since 1983

He remained silent whilst a female MP was reduced to tears by verbal bullying by a momentum supporter, his excuse, I wasn't the chairman , he was filmed laughing with the bully immediately after .

What man needs his wife to sit next to him on a train for fear of any verbal attacks? This is the excuse his close friend George Galloway gave in a tv interview on the no seats on the train lie .

Wonder how happy Corbyn is that the Yvette Cooper was voted by the house to chair the home affairs committee , Paul Flynn ,close friend of Corbyn came last

Hilary Benn voted by the house to chair the Brexit Select Committee - Corbyns few loyal MP's supported Kate Hoey , tough luck Jez

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/angela-eagles-staff-feared-safety-12049237

Extractsô

"Steven King, 45, from Paisley, given suspended jail sentence after admitting sending menacing message

Staff working for Wallasey MP Angela Eagle said they had feared for her and their safety after death threats were sent to her in an email.

Steven King, 45, of Mirin Wynd, Paisley, Scotland, pleaded guilty at Wirral Magistrates Court today to a charge of sending a grossly offensive, indecent, obscene or menacing message by a public communications network.

Shopworker King told police he was “venting his anger” and would never have acted on any of the threats he made – which included telling her he would bring her life to an end with a gun or knife.

King sent the email from his mobile phone while getting ready for work on July 12 - the day after Ms Eagle formally announced her bid to oust Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

King’s email read: “If! You become the leader of the Labour Party you will split and make Labour lose but also will too have time too enjoy it, you will die you Bitch, you will have too watch every step.”

He told Ms Eagle to leave the UK and said she would “never be safe”, and threatened an “IRA sniper or bomb on you the day you steal the leadership of the Labour party .”

Later in the email he called the MP “an evil witch”, and wrote: “Do you really believe you can win and live to use that power? this is my one and only warning next time you see me I’ll be with a real gun or knife cutting your life to an end.”

I am reminded of those posts/posters who have over time denied this sort of thing was even happening.

I await the posts explaining Corbyn didn't send the text, the rest will be dismissed

I understand that this is deviating which I know causes annoyance, but it is news and I'm sure some of you would agree with me that in all the sniping and unpleasantness that goes on on these threads perhaps we could all pause to remember the Aberfan disaster that happened fifty years ago today. It's not enough to start a new thread, but surely enough to make us all reflect on the horror of that event and the sorrow this anniversary must provoke. I was 23 at the time so can remember it well and as the mother of a 22 month old baby was deeply upset. I wept then, and today, at lunch I wept again on seeing that dreadful sight and those desperate parents/people