Brexit and power to the people

'Power to the people' is a very wobbly concept when the figures are so close - Brexiters and Farage said it again and again before the vote, that a 48/52 % just would not be acceptable and would call for a revote.

And now an official BE study has shown that since June the % has been reversed, and that as of 6th of November, it would be 47.95 leave and 52.05 remain. OK the figures have been properly estimated by experts- but do carry a margin of error- but even so- it just shows just how very close it is- and how the concept of 'Power to the people' is just meaningless (even more in the USA where Clinton got more votes).

Categories anaylised for the above were

now dead

voters now over 18 and able to vote now

expats now over 15 years abroad and no longer able to vote

less regretters and switching regretters on both sides

and we end up with

16,729,768 leave and 18,161,215 remain

If anyone would like all the figures, I will type them out.

Good enough for me, granjura. Now we just have to persuade Theresa May to have another referendum when we know what to vote on.

I've got just one word to say Democracy

We've just had remembrance day, that was what it was all about.

We go with the majority of voters, stop complaining get ready to live in a much poorer place.

www.noglory.org/index.php/articles/75-this-year-i-will-wear-a-poppy-for-the-last-time-says-91-year-old-veteran

By a man who fought in that war.

This place is only much poorer for most of us because the top 1% take far more than they should. I'd rather carry on complaining and go for a more equal society.

This makes sense. Unfortunately the government will not listen.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/11/14/the-government-should-prioritise-trade-with-europe-not-trump

Sorry, lost will to fight, can't win, glad I took out those private pensions.

No staying power, that's your problem.

This is interesting; what will happen to Brexit if Le Pen wins in France next May?

www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/le-pen-and-article-50-0

What do you think is happening to the shares your private pensions are invested in?

yep- indeed

Took it all out in tax free lump sums re-invested in gold plated stock, We are doing better that all right, Thanks for asking.

Sorry, but you can't. It's still only 25% tax free.
What's gold-plated stock?

How Brexit and Trump divide ordinary people.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/11/17/rich-right-wingers-are-leading-a-phoney-war-against-the-libe

I saw the results of a poll about what the people want from Brexit.

90% want free trade
70% think EU immigration should be controlled
86% think EU citizens already here should be allowed to stay
63% think there should be no change to banking between EU and UK
61% think there should be shared fishing rights
70% think there should be customs checks on people and goods from EU
65% think that EU health and safety rules should remain.

It makes me wonder what Brexiters voted for.

Does parliament having a debate on CETA count as power to the people?

If ordinary people hadn't pushed for it, we would not have known about it until it was too late.

"UK Members of Parliament are to finally debate controversial EU-Canada trade deal CETA after Trade Secretary Liam Fox MP admitted that he intentionally side-stepped parliamentary scrutiny when he gave UK consent for the approval of the deal – the exact opposite of ‘taking back control’."

From War on Want.

May being pressured by a lot of senior Tories to drop the court case

Will she see sense, though?

Remember the good old days when there was a faction of the conservatives who wanted to leave the EU and Dave the PM came up with a wheeze that he'd let them have a referendum to shut them up?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38037119

I bet Theresa May wishes she'd never taken on the job. They should have made Cameron stay and see it through.

www.thecanary.co/2016/11/18/even-chancellor-turning-theresa-may-party-implodes-brexit/

I hope it won't be a case of the tail wagging the dog Again!

The Tories can be such wimps at times. This is what got us into this mess to begin with

The latest on the case. From the legal team.

r.mail.crowdjustice.co.uk/4a2m66anale3f.html

Court case starts today. The judges are to preside over and rule about the British constitution. They protect us from dodgy governments and sovereigns.

I have absolutely no doubt the Daily Trash and like minded rubbish is doing its damnest to knobbly the judges and try to sway their impartiality. We've already seen disgraceful headlines like "enemies of the people" how ignorant and wrong can they be??!!- such anti-constitutional sentiments are a danger to our way of life.

Don't get confused and assume this case is about Brexit -it isn't - it is about our representative form of democracy and protecting its existence.

And it is quite right that Parliament have some say in what Johnson gets up to. He is still talking about pie in the sky - everything we want and nothing we don't want.
If he wanted to have co-operative and constructive negotiations he (and the PM) would start by reassuring current EU residents of UK that they are welcome to stay as long as they like. But instead, why not put up the backs of the EU governments even more...

news.sky.com/story/four-point-brexit-blueprint-revealed-by-boris-johnson-10683108

What a breath of fresh air to be able to listen to the arguments without all the noises off side and political spin

Royal prerogative -

Used in War and Peace and foreign affairs.

Argument that it (RP) is a power to act for the public good.

Q. What if you have a dodgy government?

What I am not understanding is that if the RP covers those areas above. How can it cover domestic issues?

I think that's the point of the case, whiewave. You can't use RP just because it suits you at the time.
What happens if the queen doesn't agree?

Any idea who is shouting outside, whitewave?