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When we finally leave the EU we will have control of our borders, it will be up to us who we allow to live and work here.

We have control of our borders now, but nothing is being done about the immigration is it?

We have no control of EU migrants as well you know. But we will.

We however DO have control of all immigrants from outside the EU. That is equal to or more than EU migration.

This same debate is going on in the other thread. Can't keep up! We know non EU migration is equal or higher than EU migration. May did nothing about this while she was home secretary.

Well it will bring work for some locals- going to be a cracking long wall - will the French pay for it though? ;)

The banks are bound to make a fuss ( they want special treatment to make it easier to trade financial dealings etc.)So most of them will make noises about moving.

....maybe they will, and again, maybe they won't.

Indeed

POGS, Switzerland is not comparable as it has never been part of the EU. All the agreements it has with the EU it has had to work out on its own.
Brexit is the opposite. It had the agreements as part of the EU and now wants to get out.

Strangely enough you are the first person to admit to being a xenophobe. Why are you a xenophobe? What do you fear from strangers?

Well, both situations in both countries can be compared, although they are not 'comparable'. Both referendums (di) were won for the same reasons, and by the same 'categories' of people. As you say, Switzerland has never been part of the EU and has had agreements which were similar, and yet different, to those within the EU. And had it not been for Brexit- it propably would have been able to 'discreetly' get an agreement on some form of limitation to EU free movement (a third of Swiss inhabitants are immigrants- and a lot more are of Italian,Spanish, Portuguese, Kosovo origins now naturalised) - but just as those agreements were being put in place- they've all been cancelled due to Brexit. The EU knows that if they get some deal with Switzerland that allows them to limit free movement, it will set a precedent for the UK, and possibly others.

What happened with the Walloons in Belgium is a real eye opener about how a small country- in this case just half- can do with their veto.

So at the moment free movement of people has to be agreed in all countries that want free movement of goods and services?

May always says we are not going to have the Swiss or Norwegian models, but doesn't say what model we will have. Probably means she doesn't know.

Not the EU, but the UK has used its veto 32 times in the UN.

So if the EU agrees to the UK having free movement of goods and services, without free movement of people (within the EU) - I will literally eat my hat (just finsihed knitting it...with roses - knitted ones!)

I agree, but not about the hat. I never wear them.
In fact, if the EU agrees to what the UK want, that would be the end of the EU. There is no reason why the EU should give better agreements to a country that has left than it does to countries still in the EU.
I know it's been said before but it deserves being repeated because some people still don't get it, probably those who still believe in colonialism.

About hats- hate them too - but where I live, there is no option when temps reach minus 30C!

Talking about Switzerland and hats - a neighbour of ours (in the UK) was Swiss, our little girls used to play together. I remember her telling me that when they lived in Switzerland she used to put three hats on the baby in winter - a soft brushed cotton one, a knitted one then another on top.
Nothing to do with the OP but it's something I have never forgotten.

BTW - anyone doing their Christmas shopping early?
www.amazon.co.uk/Five-Brexit-Island-Blyton-Grown/dp/178648384X/ref=sr_1_5/255-7221519-6417547?ie=UTF8&qid=1477305964&sr=8-5&keywords=famous+five+spoof

Back to OP and sensible posts.

Hive is selling it for £5.99.
Now how many copies do I need to order?

It is amazing how this thread carries on. Nobody knows any detail yet as to what is going to be considered. Discussion is continuing based on speculation and supposition. We all agree that we need interesting dialogue on here. Could we not hold off until there is something substantive to discuss?

You don't have to join in, gangy5.

Do you not think a discussion on free movement of people versus free movement of goods and services is important? Or do you always wait to be told what to think?

Anyway, what's wrong with discussing hats and the Famous Five in the meantime?

Reading that May risks a full blown constitutional crises if the devolved regions are ignored in the negotiating process. Not surprised - the Westminster government can't possibly ignore the divorced administrations.

Wonder how the court case is progressing? Are we just waiting for the judgement?

Exactly gangy it's amazing what pleasure some get from airing their pessimistic views.

gangy the short answer is never in a month if Sunday's. We chat as our belly's guide us that's life I am afraid.