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The young ones at work voted leave. They are very pleased with themselves that they "won" . Silly Billy's can't see that we (as a business) rely totally on work from 3-4 big manufacturers all of whom have "parent" companies in Europe and all (except one) are becoming very touchy making any investment .

Perhaps 'apologise' was not quite the right word.

However, some acknowledgement that your vote has led to hardship for some people would be more appreciated than the 'nothing to do with me' and 'hard luck mate' stance which has been common on here.

That's how some people are, Maizie. I doubt if they'll change.

Are you stirring dd?

granjura, guess away as much as you like, but that's all they are - guesses. Do I really have to repeat "mind your own business"? It had never occurred to me that I would be 'proud' of my vote, it's not something I take pride in doing after all, just an obligation, if you like, to use it the best way I see fit. If that way differs from yours then that's just the way it is, it's not a personal attack on you is it?

Of course not- and of course you are entitled to say 'mind your own business' and me to repeat 'if you think you voted the 'right' way for the 'right' reasons' then why want to hide those reasons. Not a personal attack at all, of course.

Despite the current situation re losing another 20% and possible more post Brexit- it is actually NOT the reason why we (include DH) here voted to remain. In such a dangerous situation with Putin, Kim Jung and the situation in Syria and elsewhere- Europe needs to put a united front- isolated we have no clout and no power. Same for fighting for the environment, biodiversity, etc, which has no borders. Acid rain caused by British coal fired stations are responsible for massive damage in Northern Europe. Did any watch the programme with Hugh Fernley last night- about countries passing the buck re sales of Ivory- for instance.

And of course for Trade exchanges- but also working together on medical, environmental, etc, etc, research. No country has the expertise and talent to do modern research on their own any longer- we need to cooperate and work together, and jointly finance too.

Hope many of you will sign the petition on the govt website to insist that the promises re the 350 m a day for the NHS qre honoured. Many voted leave for that reason- politicians should be forced to honour such promises.

From Mailonline, yeah:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3888398/PM-Hunt-misled-public-NHS-money-says-Tory-Senior-MP-uses-letter-suggest-used-incorrect-figures-hide-extent-cash-crisis.html

Ceesnan articulated with extreme clarity the reasons which she voted to leave the EU, others on here agreed that they held the same view, so why are we constantly being asked to repeat that view? I too am not proud of my vote, why on earth should I be?Like many, I used the vote that I was given to the best of my ability as I saw fit for the future of the UK. Whether it benefits me personally or not is neither here nor there,it's the long term future of the UK that is important.

Niggly, so I must have missed those reasons somewhere. I was replying to this post from Ceesnan:

'before anyone starts demanding to know the reasons I had for voting the way I did, those reasons are personal. The answer you would get would be "mind your own business", which is what the person doing an Exit Poll was told.'

Good on David Attenborough for his recent comments- let's hope he will help the Lib Dems win the Richmond seat.

I wouldn't dream of asking anyone why they voted the way they did either in a GE or the referendum. Everyone has their own way of looking at things and vote accordingly. It's simply not my business, nor is it the other way round to question or query what another person thinks. If someone chooses to tell me, well, that's entirely their choice, but I would never expect them to, or feel bound to reveal my own reasons because of it.

granjura

"But I do find it strange when people refuse to give their reasons- if you are proud of your vote, why not be proud to give your reasons?"

You and a few other posters remain 'persistent' in your quest for posters to give their 'reasons' of how they voted. This is now 4 months after the vote and 4 months ago there were plenty of posters who gave their reasons for voting as they did, indeed plenty posted prior to June 23rd as to how they were going to vote.

Might I suggest you refresh your memory and look back at the 'MANY' threads prior to this thread where you will find your answers. Prior to and after the EU Referendum many posters have clearly stated their reasons for the way they elected to vote, 'gave their reasons'. Perhaps a problem arises as threads can only take 1000 posts and the fluidity of a thread is totally lost.

I think some posters would be quite surprised to read back the nasty comments, aggressive behaviour even they have indulged in prior to and after the referendum!

Take a look at the old threads if you are are interested, you might be surprised by the things you have said , who knows.

I just think posters are bored with the repetitive questioning of posts that they have made over such a long period of time and have been subsequently forgotten. Tedium maybe!

I don't need my mind refreshing, POGS.

People are, of course, entitled to vote in secret and not to divulge the way they have voted.

However, those same people shouldn't be surprised if they voluntarily participate in a discussion, during which they call people names and even tell people to 'shut up', and not have their opinion taken seriously.

If they don't wish to discuss, maybe discussion threads aren't for them.

PS. People are also entitled to feel aggrieved when their lives are affected, as is the country, and not ONE valid and coherent reason for the situation is given.

That's a cop out post DD.

If you remember what posters have said then why keep asking the same , tired, old question as to how, why they voted.

Have you looked at posts you have made since say May?

I have spent quite a time looking at threads concerning the Referendum and had a wry smile cross my face. It's very interesting to see the protestations of some posters who seem to believe they have not indulged in insulting posts, 'not me gov' scenario. Talk about having a 'Selective Memory'.

Perhaps it would be good to bump a few posts made since May to remind posters what they have actually posted over such a long period of time.

Perhaps it could be a thread in the 'Sport' Forum.

Furthermore, 99% of the invective / aggression has come from those who wanted to stay in the EU.I was very taken aback by the whole nasty and bitter debate surrounding the June vote, especially on this forum.It now goes on and on, daily.

There's absolutely no point taking part in these discussions. People who voted for brexit seem to have no understanding of why those who voted against it are so upset [and imo aren't even attempting to understand] .I was chatting to a lovely Muslim nurse at the hospital yesterday about it, and we both agreed that the world has gone mad.A Trump victory in America will just finish me off completely [oh, that and the possibility of Farage [vomit emoticom] being made a Lord].

@rosesarered

Where do you buy your rose-tinted blinkers?

Nearly all the name calling, gloating, nastiness and being amused at others' discomfort is coming from those who supported Leave. They won't/can't even give their reasons. Presumably, they just think they're so important that those who disagree with them should just do as they're told.

PS. Do you by any chance have the UKIP handbook on repeating lies often enough until they're believed?

PPS. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other areas on GN.

POGS, so why did they vote the way they did? They couldn't give reasons then and they don't seem able to now. They can't really complain if they get ridiculed.

There are a number of topics I won't discuss on GN or anywhere else online. The reasons I won't are personal, so I don't even enter the discussions and I certainly don't tell other people to shut up, call them names or say I'm amused by their discomfort.

Go on then, POGS, bump them!

Presumably, they just think they're so important that those who disagree with them should just do as they're told.

On the contrary; IMO it's the Remain voters who think they're so important that the democratic vote should be overturned just because it didn't go their way.

That's certainly how it comes across on this site, anyway...

Why should POGS bump them dd, after all you're the one who among others is endlessly demanding Brexit explanations and curiously don't seem to be aware of any despite the fact that these have been aired ad nauseam on various threads both before and since the referendum, so you bump them! Spot on Ana!!!

This obsession about people giving their reasons for voting is getting to be tiresome now. Everyone voted the way they wanted to and as a result of that some won and some lost. Four months on and the hysteria still rages on. I don't think I have told anyone to shut up, laughed at their discomfort, or called them names, not out loud anyway, and I don't tend to lose my temper very often either, but it is getting so tempting to just let fly with some basic Anglo Saxon! Please don't presume to tell me not to read certain threads either, there are already enough that I steer clear of anyway, and every now and then I come across something interesting.